Author Topic: Big Deal vs. Real Deal (Read 5680 times)

bowl868 · « **on:** February 28, 2005, 06:20:07 AM »

I am trying to determine which of these balls is better for what I'm
looking for...

My Profile:
Righty, Stroker/Tweener... 15-16 mph, high track right next to fingers
and thumb (PAP 5 1/2 over 1/4 up. Like to go down and in).

My main arsenal is my V2 Particle (rev leverage drilling), Detour (label 4x5ish), Depth Charge (rev leverage). These cover the oil volumes pretty well in my area, then have some weaker equipment to go to if needed.

I run into some problems with carry at a couple houses that have a bit
more oil and I don't match up with the track shot. I'm looking for a
more aggressive ball to move into the oil with when needed. My V2
Particle doesn't have the guts to move in the oil at times, especially on the backend. My style does limit me a bit, but I'm not afraid
to move into 3rd or 4th arrow when the condition warrants, I just need
to find a ball that will react more on some heavier conditions and have
good backend.

The Real Deal and Big Deal both intrigue me, but I'm not sure which would be best for my style. Any opinions or comparisons with similar drillings on these two?

Thanks...

BowlerKidR · « **Reply #1 on:** February 28, 2005, 02:37:21 PM »

u are looking for heavy oil right? well the real deal is a good ball and it turns the corner depending on how u drill it, it can really be a great abll for what u are looking for. And it looks good going down the lane. The big deal is fairley new, and nor many people know about it but i do. My boss is a hammer rep and he has been throwing his for a while now. He has it drilled 45 degrees with the cg in the middle of the palm, or close to it. This ball has a much better mid lane read, and it rolls a lot. It wont flip if u drill it that way, it will roll in the midlane and then give u a nice powerful ark to the pocket in oil, unless u have a zillion revs, then it will flip for you. But u might want to wait till more people review the Big Deal before u choose

Ryan
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duastar · « **Reply #2 on:** March 04, 2005, 03:56:36 PM »

Got the Real Deal cause a friend who knows my game, which sounds very much like yours bowl868, recommended it. Boy was he right! Ball is REALLY GOOD in oil. Turns the corner really well, and the carry is awesome. I too have a house where I don't have a problem getting to the pocket, but carry is a different story. Have thrown this ball twice in this house, (717,762) and can't wait to get back next week!

bowl868 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 21, 2005, 11:04:57 AM »

Question for Ron Hickland or anyone else with the technical knowledge.... does the Real Deal and the Big Deal have the same particle loads in their Cutthroat coverstocks???

Thanks!

Traumatize · « **Reply #4 on:** March 22, 2005, 08:30:12 AM »

I have a Real Deal with under 10 games on it and absolutely no track in it that I would be willing to part with. It has been drilled once, and slugged so that the span could be shortened (I did not want to plug it). The pin is below and just outside the ring, with the MB in the strong position. It has a low weighthole, that is relatively big. I have the cover at a low grit right now, and it starts up very early. The cover is very receptive to changes, so polishing would changed the length and shape completely. This ball also hits very hard, and has a good carry percentage. Message me if you are interested, and we can work out a deal.
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dpunky · « **Reply #5 on:** April 04, 2005, 07:37:06 PM »

bowl686,

Get the Real Deal!!! It's the best ball I've had that can really handle oil. There are so many ways you can throw this ball, and it always finds it's way back to the pocket. It hits so hard that it amazes me. Another winner from Hammer.

dpunky

azguy · « **Reply #6 on:** April 04, 2005, 10:50:57 PM »

We don't have that heavy oil, but a friend of mine in another city says the Real Deal is great in 'sloppy' oil. I don't think he's thrown the Big Deal, but has a Real and loves it.

Hope that helps.
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dpunky · « **Reply #7 on:** April 22, 2005, 10:12:30 AM »

OK..I like my Real Deal and I have used it in a tournament that had a Sport Shot. I don't currently have the Big Deal. I was wondering if the Big Deal would fair better than the Real Deal in sport shot conditions.

dpunky

anotherwindup · « **Reply #8 on:** April 23, 2005, 11:08:43 AM »

quote:
I am trying to determine which of these balls is better for what I'm
looking for...

My Profile:
Righty, Stroker/Tweener... 15-16 mph, high track right next to fingers
and thumb (PAP 5 1/2 over 1/4 up. Like to go down and in).

My main arsenal is my V2 Particle (rev leverage drilling), Detour (label 4x5ish), Depth Charge (rev leverage). These cover the oil volumes pretty well in my area, then have some weaker equipment to go to if needed.

I run into some problems with carry at a couple houses that have a bit
more oil and I don't match up with the track shot. I'm looking for a
more aggressive ball to move into the oil with when needed. My V2
Particle doesn't have the guts to move in the oil at times, especially on the backend. My style does limit me a bit, but I'm not afraid
to move into 3rd or 4th arrow when the condition warrants, I just need
to find a ball that will react more on some heavier conditions and have
good backend.

The Real Deal and Big Deal both intrigue me, but I'm not sure which would be best for my style. Any opinions or comparisons with similar drillings on these two?

Thanks...

This decision should be based on the shape of reaction you are looking for. The balls drilled same will result in a longer more angular jump down lane with the BIG Deal.

Both of these balls are great.

To answer another question in the thread- I believe these balls have the same coverstocks and particle loads. The Saw Blade is the CT cover that has a reduced load.

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bowl868 · « **Reply #9 on:** April 26, 2005, 02:04:21 PM »

From Hammer:

The Big Deal features a much lighter particle load than The Real Deal.
This lighter load in combination with the core produces more length and
a stronger move at the breakpoint with a similar amount of total hook to
The Real Deal.

If you have additional questions, please contact me.

Brian Graham
Hammer Brand Manager

dpunky · « **Reply #10 on:** April 26, 2005, 04:07:20 PM »

quote:
From Hammer:

The Big Deal features a much lighter particle load than The Real Deal.
This lighter load in combination with the core produces more length and
a stronger move at the breakpoint with a similar amount of total hook to
The Real Deal.

If you have additional questions, please contact me.

Brian Graham
Hammer Brand Manager

More length + Stong move at breakpoint = Awesome

Leftyhi-trak · « **Reply #11 on:** April 27, 2005, 07:08:31 AM »

Either of the two you recommended has more guts than the V2 particle. Because you have a slightly slower speed i would probably go Big Deal but getting an offer from Brian Graham to talk specifics would probably render most everyones knowledge or advise moot. Good luck give an update after deciding.

Edited on 4/27/2005 7:02 AM

dpunky · « **Reply #12 on:** April 27, 2005, 10:59:38 AM »

quote:
Either of the two you recommended has more guts than the V2 particle. Because you have a slightly slower speed i would probably go Big Deal but getting an offer from Brian Graham to talk specifics would probably render most everyones knowledge or advise moot. Good luck give an update after deciding.

Edited on 4/27/2005 7:02 AM

Brian Graham would probably be the best to tell you which ball to get. I would also go to your pro shop to seek their advice. It would be cool to have both the Real Deal and the Big Deal in your arsenal.

Mr Lefty · « **Reply #13 on:** April 27, 2005, 11:07:45 AM »

i havent gotten the chance to throw the big deal yeat but if you want a ball the moves in oil the real deal for me at least have no problem in doing so....like what they say it all depends on what particular reaction you are looking for...
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bowl868 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 28, 2005, 11:24:35 AM »

To fit into my arsenal, I did go with the Big Deal. I drilled it with a 60 degree drilling to give some length, but retain some backend pop. I also thought this drilling would complement the go longer hook harder description of the ball.

From what I've seen, this is correct. Gets good length and has good backend for a dullish particle. On the right conditions, very strong and very continuous and consistent on the backend. Haven't got to test it on a variety of conditions, but for now it's longer and stronger than my V2 particle as it should be and fits in nicely to the arsenal.

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