Post by: ShermDawg on December 14, 2007, 05:05:55 AM
the Bite is up on the site
Hammerbowling.com
looks pretty sweet... lookin forward to throwin one
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Post by: strikenout on December 14, 2007, 08:36:34 PM
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nothing hits like a hammer!
Post by: 302efi on December 14, 2007, 08:44:37 PM
Whats next ?...Black Widow Legs
This is a joke.
Everybody knows that this ball will nothing different then either of the other two Widows...Just a new name and different colors
Also, you'll have all the people saying: "This ball is a MUST have !!"
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Post by: Matt Fortney on December 14, 2007, 09:23:47 PM
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Damn Hammer is really ringing the "Black Widow" for all its worth..lol
Whats next ?...Black Widow Legs
This is a joke.
Everybody knows that this ball will nothing different then either of the other two Widows...Just a new name and different colors
Also, you'll have all the people saying: "This ball is a MUST have !!"
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.
When faced with a difficult situation, Jesus asks himself, "What would Chuck Norris do?"
Robo-Arm bowlers SUCK...
Edited on 12/14/2007 9:45 PM
ringing the "black widow" for all it's worth? one question...how many inferno's were there? lol. point made. this is the 3rd black widow. And hopefully there'll be many more.
I think what were seeing is essentially a replacement to the original widow. and as far as "the same reaction." I doubt it. Look at the huge difference between the NM and NMB, and that was just a simple cover change.
to each his own i guess, but i'm for sure looking forward to this thing! and i'm pretty sure I'm not alone.
Matt
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Post by: kingpin 1 on December 14, 2007, 09:35:00 PM
just my opinion
the kidd
Post by: yoshii on December 14, 2007, 11:10:32 PM
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Post by: ShermDawg on December 15, 2007, 12:51:29 AM
i say just wait and see what its going to do... and since it has the name black widow... its gonna be money, because the original and the pearl have spoken for themselves.. no reason to think that the newest edition wont be as good if not even better
and to yoshii... 250 games is quite a bit to be put on a ball ... you gotta think of it as like a set of tires for a car, once the tread wears down to a certain point, the tires are gonna have to be replaced... same with bowling balls, the absorption rate of coverstocks now and the volume of oil that is used in general is higher to go hand in hand with the everchanging bowling ball technology...
good luck to all and cant wait to see how much Bite is in the new Widow...
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Post by: Fatboy8 on December 15, 2007, 10:39:42 AM
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Post by: 302efi on December 15, 2007, 04:17:46 PM
So next month that will be four (4) BW balls..lol
Matt point taken about the Infernos...and the Zones as well (and still going)
This is just a refresh for the original Black Widow, but with a cheesy name...
"Bite"
Oh but this ball will hook more, more "bite" in the backend !
How the hell does people believe this sh*t ?
Well ShermDawg is on staff, so hes gotta rep it up...but all you other people should be seeing this by now...lol
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When faced with a difficult situation, Jesus asks himself, "What would Chuck Norris do?"
Robo-Arm bowlers SUCK...
Post by: strikenout on December 15, 2007, 04:33:27 PM
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nothing hits like a hammer!
Post by: 302efi on December 15, 2007, 04:37:45 PM
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what if u never owned the origal black widow and only have the pearl?
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Hmmm... Well then I guess Hammer doesnt like you very much because you didnt by the hype !
On a house condition, the Bite will do the same as the Pearl.
All these balls are the same !
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.
When faced with a difficult situation, Jesus asks himself, "What would Chuck Norris do?"
Robo-Arm bowlers SUCK...
Post by: 102101 on December 15, 2007, 04:38:51 PM
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You guys are not thinking of the Black Widow spare ?
So next month that will be four (4) BW balls..lol
Matt point taken about the Infernos...and the Zones as well (and still going)
This is just a refresh for the original Black Widow, but with a cheesy name...
"Bite"
Oh but this ball will hook more, more "bite" in the backend !
How the hell does people believe this sh*t ?
Well ShermDawg is on staff, so hes gotta rep it up...but all you other people should be seeing this by now...lol
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.
When faced with a difficult situation, Jesus asks himself, "What would Chuck Norris do?"
Robo-Arm bowlers SUCK...
Doesn't really matter what the name is, the Black Widow line up is one of the best from any company.
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Post by: justink on December 15, 2007, 07:10:20 PM
Just pick a ball have it drilled correctly and quit whining about advertising.
It isn't going to stop for you!
All of you on this post that actually care about the Black Widow Bite, go on about your business and leave this whiner to run his mouth. He isn't going to stop you from throwing a strike only you can do that.
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Post by: 302efi on December 15, 2007, 07:16:24 PM
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Throwing a hook 4 yrs now, 3 seasons league bowling.
LOL...enough said about your exp in bowling
You just keep buying in and believing everything any companies tell you !
Remember, its got to be better then the last one !
"Its hooks more in the backend !"
"You need this ball !"
"Must have !!"
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.
When faced with a difficult situation, Jesus asks himself, "What would Chuck Norris do?"
Robo-Arm bowlers SUCK...
Post by: justink on December 15, 2007, 07:32:42 PM
Uh no... exact opposite.
Nice read on my profile, you are so well educated yourself. Since you read my profile so well you might have also caught that I don't have but one ball that has been highly hyped. What I do believe is that a ball has what you put on it.
If you had a bad experience then why don't you just tell us about it. Your experiences are more important to us and speak more than your little quotes.
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Post by: Xfest on December 15, 2007, 07:49:58 PM
I will be looking forward to this.. I think it should be a good ball..
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Post by: 302efi on December 15, 2007, 08:08:13 PM
I jump online today, check BR for some new posts ect.. I see this post about the Bite, check the link and this ball is disappointing to say the least.
Cheesy name and its pretty much a refresh of the original Black Widow.
The bad part is Hammer says this:
"The Black Widow Bite expands the performance offerings in the Black Widow series by offering a stronger hook motion with more aggressive backend.
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Thats clearly just to broad of description. Just to sell this ball, their telling the customer what they want to hear. I understand thats their business, but this release is just a big let down.
Having said all that, I have shot well with my BW solid
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.
When faced with a difficult situation, Jesus asks himself, "What would Chuck Norris do?"
Robo-Arm bowlers SUCK...
Post by: six pack on December 15, 2007, 09:15:47 PM
I feel this line started with the Big Blue so there were many balls that came with the gas mask core.
Big Blue
Big Blue pearl
The Big Deal
Black Widow
BW pearl and now the Bite.
Did I miss any?
I wish/hope for a No Mercy Pearl instead of another widow/gas mask.
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Post by: Urameshii6 on December 17, 2007, 12:44:21 AM
You're right about the hype. But no one here is arguing that. I don't like all the hype myself, but the companies are run these vehicles until the wheels fall off. I say this: If you can look past the hype, cool. If you can't and have to have the "next big thing" every time it comes out, I feel for you. You'll buy stuff that you don't need because you already have a ball that fits the same catergory. Big waste of money. I personally am going to get this ball because I haven't thrown Hammer in years and want to see what I can do with the new stuff that's out there. Is the name kind of cheesy? Maybe. Does it really matter? Not really. Will people buy it? Bet your retirement savings on it. Ebonite and Hammer have some of the most hyped stuff on the market right now and as long as one of those names is on the ball, you can rely on people biting (no pun intended) that hook and spending what ever mad money they got to own the "MUST HAVE BALL OF THE YEAR".
Post by: 302efi on December 17, 2007, 01:30:50 AM
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Will people buy it? Bet your retirement savings on it.
Thats the sad part...Because alot of people will think that its something totally new.
Hype sells sadly
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.
When faced with a difficult situation, Jesus asks himself, "What would Chuck Norris do?"
Robo-Arm bowlers SUCK...
Post by: iron chariots 02 on December 17, 2007, 05:52:00 AM
Post by: yoshii on December 17, 2007, 09:34:29 AM
"The Hammer Black Widow Bite features a more aggressive reactive coverstock than what was used on the original Black Widow and Black Widow Pearl. This change in coverstock will provide stronger hook motion, more aggressive backend reaction and more total hook than the original Black Widow. With a polished finish, the Black Widow Bite will provide stronger hook motion with more total hook than the Black Widow Pearl."
enough said. will probably be the same as the rest, but i still wanna get one! =P
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Post by: pjr300 on December 17, 2007, 05:52:28 PM
I was planning to order another BWS as my fresh oil ball. In the past I've used the BW for those conditions at 2000g. But maybe I should reconsider and get the Bite. Sounds like it will handle the oil with ease....
but: I wonder if it will still have the same ignore-the-midlane, leave-it-all-for-the-backend shape that the BWs are known for.
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Post by: FastTracker33 on December 18, 2007, 05:36:15 AM
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Post by: DanR on December 18, 2007, 01:46:54 PM
Post by: gsback on December 18, 2007, 02:05:39 PM
I do agree though Chad!! Instead of hooking 32 boards....this one will hook 36!! Gotta have that new one!!
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Post by: dw23 on December 18, 2007, 02:14:48 PM
Don't get me wrong, I'm getting it when it comes out.
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Post by: chitown on December 18, 2007, 03:40:27 PM
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The key is not how much it hooks but when to use it. Lets see how many league bowlers try to use the new BWB on a 36ft house shot and have to polish it to keep it on the pocket side. Most could spend less on a Vibe and win more points or money.
Don't get me wrong, I'm getting it when it comes out.
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Very well said! I agree 100 percent.
It's not how much it hooks but when it hooks and what type of reaction shape is needed to strike on a particular pattern!
Post by: ckel1392 on December 18, 2007, 03:54:35 PM
Post by: pjr300 on December 18, 2007, 06:03:30 PM
Sounds like it is TOO much for my needs....
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on December 18, 2007, 09:00:48 PM
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Post by: pjr300 on December 19, 2007, 01:36:03 PM
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Kind of sounds like they are doing to the Widow Series what Ebonite did with the One Series. The One had the GB10.7 cover. The Big One had the same core but a GB 11.2 cover. Then they went pearl with the Angular One. Seems Hammer is going in the same direction.
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Good insight Steve.... I just hope that the balls don't perform like The One series, which was the best one was probably the first release.
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Post by: BrianCRX90 on December 19, 2007, 07:01:06 PM
Post by: ShermDawg on December 19, 2007, 07:03:45 PM
The One Series :
the One (Solid Reactive)
The Big One (Solid reactive)
The Infinite One (solid Reactive)
The Angular One (Reactive Pearl)
The widow Series:
Black Widow (Solid Reactive)
Widow Pearl (self explanatory)
Black Widow Bite (Solid Reactive)
if it is meant that it is going to be similar in that there will be more solid's than pearl in the line, that is looking to be obviously true
the releases are quite different so far because the one series didnt have a pearl till the very end.. so it will be interesting to see what can or will happen after the Bite for the Widow series if a particle pearl, particle pearl/solid hybrid or maybe a Hybrid Pearl Solid Reactive... who knows... there are many different directions to go.. we just have to wait and see, but the anticipation is always high when the ball says Hammer on it!
still cant wait for the BITE
but that is too far in the future because honestly I cant wait to get my hands on a Bite... sounds like another big winner from Hammer...
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Post by: Matt Fortney on December 19, 2007, 08:20:38 PM
as for the name i really like it and for those who don't...there's been far worse...blast zone, robo rule, weapon of mass bias? Black widow bite is far more impressive than these at least! and there's more!
No matter the name, no matter the color though, Hammer is on a roll, and I'm sure they won't be dissapointing us anytime soon!
Matt
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The name is stupid. I like the theme, but why not take my advise and promote the "Brown Recluse". It would be the most bad arse ball ever.
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Post by: dizzyfugu on December 20, 2007, 04:09:17 AM
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The key is not how much it hooks but when to use it. Lets see how many league bowlers try to use the new BWB on a 36ft house shot and have to polish it to keep it on the pocket side. Most could spend less on a Vibe and win more points or money.
Don't get me wrong, I'm getting it when it comes out.
DW
Good point, and not only true for the BWB or any Hammer ball. Rather a general phenomenon.
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on December 26, 2007, 05:00:18 PM
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The name is stupid. I like the theme, but why not take my advise and promote the "Brown Recluse". It would be the most bad arse ball ever.
Post by: williewc on December 26, 2007, 05:06:08 PM
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and to yoshii... 250 games is quite a bit to be put on a ball ... you gotta think of it as like a set of tires for a car, once the tread wears down to a certain point, the tires are gonna have to be replaced... same with bowling balls, the absorption rate of coverstocks now and the volume of oil that is used in general is higher to go hand in hand with the everchanging bowling ball technology...
i disagree, i have bowling balls with over a thousand games on them and they still react just as good as when they were new, every ball i have has over 250 games on them and they havent changed in reaction either, maybe im just a lucky person that has 8 bowling balls that react the same as when they are new or maybe the company i use has longer lasting coverstocks, but 250 games should not kill a balls reaction
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Post by: crankncrash on December 29, 2007, 01:55:06 PM
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and to yoshii... 250 games is quite a bit to be put on a ball ... you gotta think of it as like a set of tires for a car, once the tread wears down to a certain point, the tires are gonna have to be replaced... same with bowling balls, the absorption rate of coverstocks now and the volume of oil that is used in general is higher to go hand in hand with the everchanging bowling ball technology...
i disagree, i have bowling balls with over a thousand games on them and they still react just as good as when they were new, every ball i have has over 250 games on them and they havent changed in reaction either, maybe im just a lucky person that has 8 bowling balls that react the same as when they are new or maybe the company i use has longer lasting coverstocks, but 250 games should not kill a balls reaction
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Should a ball die at 250 games? NO, but in todays world its not unlikely. But, here is another couple of thoughts, A: the person is board with the ball ans sees other ppl with newer stuff out hooking it... so its SEEMS dead.
Or B: this from my personal experience, the ball still gets to the pocket, but without the same pop when it does. I had a Vapor Zone that you could not pry out of my hands with a torch and a crow bar, but out of the blue I started leaving 10 pin after 10 pin after 10 pin.. Well at this point I got irritated and noticed that I had to creep about 2 boards right to get higher on the head to get the strikes I was used to in that house. Well I noticed it in another house aswell, so I took it to the rejuvinator for a while, it leaked purple oil for hours on end. When it was all said and done, took it back and it was like new again AND no TEN Pins! So I didn't experience death per say, but lost some performance. To each his own, and I'm sure there will be many who say they never dealt with it, and I was one of them. But I have come to realize that its not about the reaction shape as much as the increase friction in the backs that I was not noticibly missing.
Post by: pjr300 on December 29, 2007, 08:55:31 PM
Plan and simple: solids lose performance quickly... much faster than pearls. It's not a specific brand; they all die, some slower than others, but they all bite the dust.
I can think of a bunch --- Track Freak, Track EMB, Absolute Interno, Columbia Icon, Black Widow -- that lost their hookability for me. I was able to restore the Tracks, but not much success with the Widow or Inferno. And the 200 game mark seems to be the magic number for the newer solids.
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Post by: Slopsurprise on December 30, 2007, 06:51:53 AM
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maybe they will fix the original solid's problem of life span. mine died out after about 250 games or so. i clean it, oven bleed out, and everything. im looking forward to it at least.
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YOU MUST HAVE NEVER CLEANED IT OR MAINTAINED IT THEN..(sarcasm)
Maybe you just bought an Ebonite made product.....(serious)
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If you got 250 out of it, they have really improved their stuff.
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Post by: BallsDeep on December 30, 2007, 02:22:33 PM
They come out with the widow and it has a refreshed big deal weight block and a new cover, and people love the ball. Then they come out with a pearl version. People see that it is pearl, polished, and reacts very differently on the lanes, and that ball becomes a big seller too. Now they come out with another solid, with the same block and a new cover that sounds like a tweaked version of the origional widow cover. Since there is no statistical report of the difference between this ball and the widow (i.e. difference in differential), we don't know how different the ball is.
That being said, there have been tremendous differences created by tweaking the cover of a ball. I'm certainly going to take a look at this ball in the widow series. Personally I like when both the cover and the core are tweaked, but I'm not going to write off the bite because it is only the cover. (The only reason that I like this is that sometimes a change in a cover makes the ball more agressive, but also makes the ball burn up quicker. By raising the rg by adding a larger flip cap, the ball can get down the lane and make up more on the back instead of up front, but it remains to be seen how much early friction the bite creates and whether the core can maintain enough energy through the fronts.)
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