Chitown, really glad I didn't get rid of it. I think a big mistake people make and I was guilty of it for a long time is the thought that a dull ball works better in oily conditions. I've had several solids that I bought for the heavier oil conditions and was very unhappy with the reaction, they never turned to the pocket. I really figured this out Friday night in league, I was throwing a Hammer No Mercy and was having trouble getting back to the pocket, (I know hard to believe, it looked like it was burning up prior to the dry) so I figured what the heck, I grabbed my Red Vibe and threw the same line, I was shocked when it shredded the pocket. Bowling is all about learning lessons!!!