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Title: Black Widow....mass bias negative
Post by: LuckyLefty on February 14, 2008, 02:51:28 AM
Ebonite says don't do it!

Brunswick says don't do it!

Hammer on their high mass bias Black Widow series says.


Do it! Drilling #4 (http://"http://hammerbowling.com/tech_info/detail.php?drilling=Black%20Widow%20Drilling%20Instructions")

Anoyone knows what the mass bias rating on the black widow series is?

The one/NV series is listed as .027 the Brunswick "do not do this" ballls are listed as .017.  

These???

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Title: Re: Black Widow....mass bias negative
Post by: mrbowlingnut on February 14, 2008, 10:59:36 AM
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Title: Re: Black Widow....mass bias negative
Post by: LuckyLefty on February 14, 2008, 01:32:10 PM
ahhhhh!  It works on the BW I can assure you.

Though when I've seen this very ball with this drilling on a standard 40 league oiled shot it had no midlane and pierced thru the break point pretty hard!

Where it works is on these bone dry midlane situations.

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Edited on 2/14/2008 2:50 PM
Title: Re: Black Widow....mass bias negative
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 14, 2008, 01:42:08 PM
It definately works.  I have both my Black Widow and BW Pearl drilled with MB in Negative positions...very very smooth, great pieces.  Not just on bone dry midlanes for me either.  I will post pics here in a second.
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Edited on 2/14/2008 2:44 PM
Title: Re: Black Widow....mass bias negative
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 14, 2008, 02:04:20 PM
These are pictures of my 2 Widows (solid, pearl) both laid out with negative MB positions.  Two great pieces for me.....

http://s102.photobucket.com/albums/m95/sgc300/?action=view¤t=2004_0708negative0003.jpg

http://s102.photobucket.com/albums/m95/sgc300/?action=view¤t=2004_0708negative0004.jpg
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Title: Re: Black Widow....mass bias negative
Post by: chitown on February 14, 2008, 02:09:50 PM
I would think the MB position is all relative to the distance from ones PAP.  So I guess you would have to find out where that distance is to determine negative placement?

Let's say you have two bowling balls with the MB 1" left of the thumb hole (right hand bowlers).  This MB placement for one right hand bowler may be 5.5" from his PAP.  For another right hand bowler this MB placement may be 7" from his PAP.  Get the gist of what i'm saying?
Title: Re: Black Widow....mass bias negative
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 14, 2008, 02:15:18 PM
Chitown, I actually do not get what you're saying.  I am obviously not a driller or anything, but by placing the MB on the negative side like I have....wouldn't my MB be closer to my PAP?
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Title: Re: Black Widow....mass bias negative
Post by: LuckyLefty on February 14, 2008, 02:19:46 PM
MB ...the more negative the farther away from ones PAP..

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Title: Re: Black Widow....mass bias negative
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 14, 2008, 02:21:56 PM
Hmm ok, obviously I had the wrong assumption of what the PAP is lol.
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Title: Re: Black Widow....mass bias negative
Post by: LuckyLefty on February 14, 2008, 02:32:24 PM
Are you thinking of the NAP.

Negative axis point on the Negative side of the ball.

Sort of a similar cocept to the north pole and the southpole but on the SIDE of the ball...not the top and bottom.

REgards,

Luckylefty


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Title: Re: Black Widow....mass bias negative
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 14, 2008, 02:39:05 PM
So my PAP is on the left side of the ball even though I track on the right side of the ball?

Now I am really confused lol.  So when someone says their drilling is 4x4 that means the pin is 4" from their PAP and the CG is also 4" from their PAP right?

If my pin is on the left side of the ball, being left handed, wouldn't that make my pin acutally like right next to my PAP, or is the PAP somewhere else lol.

Oh the joys of...
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Title: Re: Black Widow....mass bias negative
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 14, 2008, 02:40:30 PM
On second thought, I'm looking at my Track being on the right side of the ball when the fingers holes are facing me.  Are we assuming I track on the left side when the ball is face down? haha and yes this is a serious question.
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Title: Re: Black Widow....mass bias negative
Post by: Matt Fortney on February 14, 2008, 08:25:10 PM
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These are pictures of my 2 Widows (solid, pearl) both laid out with negative MB positions.  Two great pieces for me.....

http://s102.photobucket.com/albums/m95/sgc300/?action=view¤t=2004_0708negative0003.jpg

http://s102.photobucket.com/albums/m95/sgc300/?action=view¤t=2004_0708negative0004.jpg
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That is the coolest looking BW Solid I've ever seen! Wow!

as far as the negative mb goes...a lot of people in my area are doing to tame down the backend in this series. Being that I'm a big fan of backend "snap", this is not for me, but a lot of people have them drilled that way, and they're loving it!

Matt
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Title: Re: Black Widow....mass bias negative
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 14, 2008, 08:30:26 PM
Your Black Widow Solid can look like that too!

Here's How:

Step 1:  Leave it in your car overnight when it is really freezing out.  
Step 2:  Bring it in the house and say wow where did all this red come from?
Step 3:  Sand it down to nothing
Step 4:  Give it a hot water bath
Step 5:  Take it to your pro shop and have it brought back to 4000 grit

 Seriously it used to be all black with like one little spot of red on the underside, now it has these sweet red streaks  All on accident my friend lol.
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Title: Re: Black Widow....mass bias negative
Post by: LuckyLefty on February 16, 2008, 08:13:28 PM
Matt!

Confused on what series you are talking about...

The Black Widow series OR the Total NV ...One series??

Let me know please!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Title: Re: Black Widow....mass bias negative
Post by: Matt Fortney on February 17, 2008, 06:33:51 PM
quote:
Matt!

Confused on what series you are talking about...

The Black Widow series OR the Total NV ...One series??

Let me know please!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Talking about the Black Widow series. I haven't ever seen a one/nv series ball...or for that matter any of the brunswicks with the negative mb layout. then again, there are only a handful of people in our area who've got a problem controlling backend...so not a lot of people are going to be considering this kind of a layout.

Matt
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Title: Re: Black Widow....mass bias negative
Post by: dicnic on February 18, 2008, 09:41:49 AM
So how come folks buy a BW or BWP which have strong back end reactions, even skid/flip on some lanes and then put a drilling on it to smooth out the whole reaction?

Why not just buy a ball that has a smoother reaction in the first place? It is not like you can turn a switch to change the reaction. Once drilled, it is what it is, unless you plug it and redrill it.
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Title: Re: Black Widow....mass bias negative
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 18, 2008, 09:50:35 AM
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So how come folks buy a BW or BWP which have strong back end reactions, even skid/flip on some lanes and then put a drilling on it to smooth out the whole reaction?

Why not just buy a ball that has a smoother reaction in the first place? It is not like you can turn a switch to change the reaction. Once drilled, it is what it is, unless you plug it and redrill it.
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I would guess for the same reason why people come on here and question other people's succesful layouts.

My Black Widow's still have nice a pop on the back end, this drilling for me just keeps the ball from going nuts, which for me is a no no.

I actually rarely threw solids, but I decided to try out the BW, and my driller watched me throw a couple shots said lets try this, and the ball has been great.

I almost sold it recently, because it was losing it's reaction, then I resurfaced it, hot water treatment, then took it to the shop and had it brought back to box surface, and first game with it 289 with the back 10.

The Black Widow Pearl does not get as much use, but it is very good for really easy house shots lol.
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Title: Re: Black Widow....mass bias negative
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 18, 2008, 09:59:30 AM
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Thats a good question. Buy a ball and drill it for what it designed to do. Dont try to put a skid/Flip drilling in a rolly ball like LevRg or etc.
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I do not understand why you would be saying something like that.  If you buy a ball, and you can't use it because it's too strong, would you not change the surface?  Well if so, then why did you buy the ball since you can't use it for what it's designed for?  If the lay out have is making the ball burn up, would you want to change it?  Well according to you guys that's wrong, because the ball is supposed to do one thing, so put the strongest lay out on it and deal with it even if you can't use it.  That does not make much sense to me.

Putting the MB on the other side of my thumb hole, did not kill the backend reaction.  It did not make the ball a non hooking spare ball.  It tamed it down and made a more smooth back end reaction, which is what I need.  The ball has been a killer, so I think I made the right decision.
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Title: Re: Black Widow....mass bias negative
Post by: chitown on February 18, 2008, 10:39:19 AM
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So how come folks buy a BW or BWP which have strong back end reactions, even skid/flip on some lanes and then put a drilling on it to smooth out the whole reaction?

Why not just buy a ball that has a smoother reaction in the first place? It is not like you can turn a switch to change the reaction. Once drilled, it is what it is, unless you plug it and redrill it.
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quote:
Thats a good question. Buy a ball and drill it for what it designed to do. Don't try to put a skid/Flip drilling in a rolly ball like LevRg or etc.



Bowlers have different views on how to layout equipment.  "Don't try and put a skid/flip drilling in a rolly ball like the LEVRG or ect..."  I ask why not? This doesn't mean the ball is going to skid/flip.

That's the same type of response I got several years ago when I wanted to dull a pearlized ball.  I was told not to dull a pearlized ball because that's not what it was designed for.  I didn't listen and went ahead and took the polish off the pearl ball.  Guess what?  I found an awesome reaction by taken the polish off.  

A bowler can take 4 different balls and use the same exact layout and get 4 completely different reactions.  The cover and cores will separate the reaction between the balls.