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silverwing

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Black Widow Venom on Hammer Website
« on: June 20, 2008, 04:00:27 AM »
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Re: Black Widow Venom on Hammer Website
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2008, 12:04:21 PM »
I have absolutely no proof of this….. But I was told by someone in the know at Hammer/Ebonite that the Bite cover is actually the Anger cover
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Re: Black Widow Venom on Hammer Website
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2008, 12:18:44 PM »
rymacatthedisco -- Thats cool man, no worries. Thats what these boards are for, opinions - exp - and discussions

Take this for example. the original BW is advertised to go long and flip, correct ? Now the Venom is advertised to go longer and hook more then the orignal BW ?     Is that possible ?

Are we really that gullible to by into all the marketing ?

No doubt they will sell a ton of them and people will score well with them, but that does not mean its a totally new ball.

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Re: Black Widow Venom on Hammer Website
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2008, 10:07:04 PM »
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rymacatthedisco -- Thats cool man, no worries. Thats what these boards are for, opinions - exp - and discussions

Take this for example. the original BW is advertised to go long and flip, correct ? Now the Venom is advertised to go longer and hook more then the orignal BW ?     Is that possible ?

Are we really that gullible to by into all the marketing ?

No doubt they will sell a ton of them and people will score well with them, but that does not mean its a totally new ball.

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I owned the BITE and original BWS and there was a difference between them.  I don't know anything about the VENOM so I can't comment on that.
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302efi

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Re: Black Widow Venom on Hammer Website
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2008, 10:48:36 PM »
chitown ~ With the surfaces the same and on same shot, what do you see or how do you play different ?

Heres a line for the Venow ad:

Lethal Bite Reactive is our most aggressive coverstock to date

Stronger then the Original No Mercy ?...Come on Hammmer

Seems like with the solids in the BW line then just recolor and rename them and same as they did the NM and Beatin'...and look how hard the Beatin' failed..lol
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Re: Black Widow Venom on Hammer Website
« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2008, 12:13:20 AM »
lets juat wait for the video to come out
then we can debate on how it is
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Re: Black Widow Venom on Hammer Website
« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2008, 12:29:24 AM »
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lets juat wait for the video to come out
then we can debate on how it is  


.....and also see what BTM says about it. Although I don't put all of my stock in BTM, I am still always interested on what they say about balls that I am interested in.
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302efi

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Re: Black Widow Venom on Hammer Website
« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2008, 01:15:12 AM »
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lets juat wait for the video to come out
then we can debate on how it is


Serious question, whats a video of a ball going to show on a THS going to show ? Almost every ball has the same look on a THS.

Look at videoballreviews.com...From weak pearls to strong asym soilds they all play pretty much the same, lol
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Re: Black Widow Venom on Hammer Website
« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2008, 09:49:28 AM »
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chitown ~ With the surfaces the same and on same shot, what do you see or how do you play different ?

Heres a line for the Venow ad:

Lethal Bite Reactive is our most aggressive coverstock to date

Stronger then the Original No Mercy ?...Come on Hammmer

Seems like with the solids in the BW line then just recolor and rename them and same as they did the NM and Beatin'...and look how hard the Beatin' failed..lol
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Edited on 6/21/2008 10:49 PM


The reaction shape on the BITE and SOLID is pretty much the same from what i've seen.  The difference is the overall strength of the BITE compared to the SOLID.  With both balls at the same cover grit your going to see the BITE being a tad bit stronger than the SOLID.

I don't think Hammer put the same exact cover on the BITE as they had on the SOLID.

Now I do think you can cover the same conditions with the BITE as you can with the SOLID if you match the cover grit with the condition.  I feel when you buy a bowling ball your pretty much buying a reaction shape because most bowling balls can be used on most lane patterns if the coverstock is adjusted to the condition.

I have proved this point to myself many times.  I had an all Raw Hammer Doom arsenal.  I was able to use the DOOM on heavier patterns and some light patterns with simple coverstock adjustments.  I also have used a Blue Vibe on heavier/ longer patterns with very good success with again simple coverstock adjustments.  

I'm confident a bowler could build a very good arsenal out of 3 or 4 of the same ball with using different coverstock grits and or different layouts.

So if that's what you mean by the VENOM being the same as the BITE and or SOLID then I could agree that each of those balls will probably give you a very similar reaction shape.  

Like I said before it's all about reaction shape and not so much oil handling.

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Re: Black Widow Venom on Hammer Website
« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2008, 10:47:47 AM »
video of Venom is now up on Hammer website, with some serious players throwing it.
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Brickguy221

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Re: Black Widow Venom on Hammer Website
« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2008, 10:48:19 AM »
Here is what I have learned from Jeff Ussery........The Venom is a 4000/polished coverstock ball, so it's going to be quite a bit longer than Bite with more aggressive backend movement. The Lethal Bite Reactive cover is a new coverstock for us at Hammer, and most aggressive off the friction to date. This one really cooks in the backend when it senses friction, but still has the great versatility of the Widow series core.

Note where Jeff says...The Lethal Bite Reactive cover is a new coverstock for us at Hammer.

This should answer what the coverstock is for those that were doubting the coverstock.
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Re: Black Widow Venom on Hammer Website
« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2008, 10:57:35 AM »
Aftre viewing the video, I gotta ask what does this ball do different Then any of the other Widows ?

Look at the line and the reaction, You mean to tell me that you cannot play that line with any of the other Widows ?

Good video no doubt and pretty lengthy to get lots of info is a plus !
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Re: Black Widow Venom on Hammer Website
« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2008, 11:20:55 AM »
That has got to be one of the best videos I have ever seen due to 3 different (PBA) bowlers using two different layouts throwing on a PBA shot...

 btw, that ball looks pretty freaking sick, at least to me!
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Re: Black Widow Venom on Hammer Website
« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2008, 12:34:55 PM »
I really enjoyed the video, but I'd love to see a comparison video.  I don't think that the Venom is the same as the other Widows, but I think it would be great to see where those differences are.  To me, just based upon the video on the hammer site, it seems like the Venom is a bit earlier than the pearl.  It seems to be marketed as a longer and more angular ball than the pearl, but it appears to be a bit rollier and stronger in the oil than the pearl.

Just to comment, briefly on the other topic at hand.  I really like chitown's comment on reaction shapes.  When one has the ability to move their feet and play multiple lines to the pocket, overall hook potential is virtually meaningless.  It is the breakpoint shape that determines where a ball can carry from and what angles it may be used from.  

Though I don't own the bite, one of the major positives of the ball was the ability to shine it, and use it as a more angular version of the original.  In shining the ball, it seemed as though it cleaner through the fronts than the original at box finish, yet more predictable in the midlane and through the pit than the pearl.  Few needed the raw strength of the ball, but many benefitted from the using the strength as a polished alternative to the widow.
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Re: Black Widow Venom on Hammer Website
« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2008, 12:57:52 PM »
I think what 302 is trying to say is, that of course there is a going to be a difference.  But is there going to be a significant difference to where someone would need to get a Venom vs a Bite or an original BW if you already own one?
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Re: Black Widow Venom on Hammer Website
« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2008, 01:06:25 PM »
I myself do not see huge differences have every one of the series but will get this ball regardless because of how good the series has been.

Honestly I prefer watching guys like Britton throw it because he is more close to what i do, comparing to PBA imo is a big waste of time. If you happen to be that 1 percent of quality of player go off of that video, if you are more normal wait for Britton.

Even Britton throws it better than me and most players but he does a few shots and does actually show his off hits and yanks.

That is why I think he is more useful than big name guys who hawk there brand as being the almighty, who would say yeah the Solid is better than this new piece that we just made????

My problem with the Solid is just had a 2nd crack in 2 years, I really believe it is the One cover which is known around Vegas to crack left and right from our high heat.
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