Post by: silverwing on June 20, 2008, 04:00:27 AM
Unfortunately, there is no video yet.
Post by: Jeff Ussery on June 20, 2008, 01:09:22 PM
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Post by: silverwing on June 20, 2008, 01:26:18 PM
Post by: pop_1 on June 20, 2008, 01:40:41 PM
Post by: Jeff Ussery on June 20, 2008, 03:13:56 PM
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Post by: crusher267658 on June 20, 2008, 03:34:33 PM
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We have what I think is our best video to date coming! We'll get it up as soon as possible. Thanks again!
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Can't wait to see it.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on June 21, 2008, 02:32:54 AM
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Post by: 302efi on June 21, 2008, 10:20:11 AM
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What is going to be the differences between the Bite and Venom such as lane conditions, hook, length, and etc?
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Absolutely nothing...This is not even a retread, just a color & name change to sell more balls.
I called this with the Bite as well...
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Post by: bluerrpilot on June 21, 2008, 10:32:34 AM
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Absolutely nothing...This is not even a retread, just a color & name change to sell more balls.
I called this with the Bite as well...
You have got to be kidding.
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Post by: themagician on June 21, 2008, 10:58:19 AM
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What is going to be the differences between the Bite and Venom such as lane conditions, hook, length, and etc?
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Absolutely nothing...This is not even a retread, just a color & name change to sell more balls.
I called this with the Bite as well...
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I laugh at your comment, I have not seen the Venom, but I do bet it will be longer and provide a different look than the Widows out. The Bite is much stronger than the solid, it is no where close to a rehash with some gray added, it is much stronger overall.
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Post by: rymacatthedisco on June 21, 2008, 11:09:30 AM
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Post by: 302efi on June 21, 2008, 11:15:38 AM
...but the Bite and and now Venom is just a differnt color and names along with changing the marketing description ...Then BAM, you have a totally new ball that is suppose to hook more, LOL.
Now thats laughable.
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Sport Bowling is a F**king joke
Post by: bluerrpilot on June 21, 2008, 12:00:39 PM
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...but the Bite and and now Venom is just a differnt color and names along with changing the marketing description ...Then BAM, you have a totally new ball that is suppose to hook more, LOL.
Now thats laughable.
Until you have them drilled the same and throw them back to back. It would be wise that you refrain from making such ridiculous comments that you know nothing about.
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Post by: rymacatthedisco on June 21, 2008, 12:01:36 PM
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Post by: bluerrpilot on June 21, 2008, 12:04:21 PM
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Post by: 302efi on June 21, 2008, 12:18:44 PM
Take this for example. the original BW is advertised to go long and flip, correct ? Now the Venom is advertised to go longer and hook more then the orignal BW ? Is that possible ?
Are we really that gullible to by into all the marketing ?
No doubt they will sell a ton of them and people will score well with them, but that does not mean its a totally new ball.
Cheers all
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Sport Bowling is a F**king joke
Post by: chitown on June 21, 2008, 10:07:04 PM
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rymacatthedisco -- Thats cool man, no worries. Thats what these boards are for, opinions - exp - and discussions
Take this for example. the original BW is advertised to go long and flip, correct ? Now the Venom is advertised to go longer and hook more then the orignal BW ? Is that possible ?
Are we really that gullible to by into all the marketing ?
No doubt they will sell a ton of them and people will score well with them, but that does not mean its a totally new ball.
Cheers all
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Sport Bowling is a F**king joke
I owned the BITE and original BWS and there was a difference between them. I don't know anything about the VENOM so I can't comment on that.
Post by: 302efi on June 21, 2008, 10:48:36 PM
Heres a line for the Venow ad:
Lethal Bite Reactive is our most aggressive coverstock to date
Stronger then the Original No Mercy ?...Come on Hammmer
Seems like with the solids in the BW line then just recolor and rename them and same as they did the NM and Beatin'...and look how hard the Beatin' failed..lol
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Sport Bowling is a F**king joke
Edited on 6/21/2008 10:49 PM
Post by: urbanshaft on June 22, 2008, 12:13:20 AM
then we can debate on how it is
Post by: Brickguy221 on June 22, 2008, 12:29:24 AM
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lets juat wait for the video to come out
then we can debate on how it is
.....and also see what BTM says about it. Although I don't put all of my stock in BTM, I am still always interested on what they say about balls that I am interested in.
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Post by: 302efi on June 22, 2008, 01:15:12 AM
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lets juat wait for the video to come out
then we can debate on how it is
Serious question, whats a video of a ball going to show on a THS going to show ? Almost every ball has the same look on a THS.
Look at videoballreviews.com...From weak pearls to strong asym soilds they all play pretty much the same, lol
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Sport Bowling is a F**king joke
Post by: chitown on June 22, 2008, 09:49:28 AM
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chitown ~ With the surfaces the same and on same shot, what do you see or how do you play different ?
Heres a line for the Venow ad:
Lethal Bite Reactive is our most aggressive coverstock to date
Stronger then the Original No Mercy ?...Come on Hammmer
Seems like with the solids in the BW line then just recolor and rename them and same as they did the NM and Beatin'...and look how hard the Beatin' failed..lol
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Sport Bowling is a F**king joke
Edited on 6/21/2008 10:49 PM
The reaction shape on the BITE and SOLID is pretty much the same from what i've seen. The difference is the overall strength of the BITE compared to the SOLID. With both balls at the same cover grit your going to see the BITE being a tad bit stronger than the SOLID.
I don't think Hammer put the same exact cover on the BITE as they had on the SOLID.
Now I do think you can cover the same conditions with the BITE as you can with the SOLID if you match the cover grit with the condition. I feel when you buy a bowling ball your pretty much buying a reaction shape because most bowling balls can be used on most lane patterns if the coverstock is adjusted to the condition.
I have proved this point to myself many times. I had an all Raw Hammer Doom arsenal. I was able to use the DOOM on heavier patterns and some light patterns with simple coverstock adjustments. I also have used a Blue Vibe on heavier/ longer patterns with very good success with again simple coverstock adjustments.
I'm confident a bowler could build a very good arsenal out of 3 or 4 of the same ball with using different coverstock grits and or different layouts.
So if that's what you mean by the VENOM being the same as the BITE and or SOLID then I could agree that each of those balls will probably give you a very similar reaction shape.
Like I said before it's all about reaction shape and not so much oil handling.
Edited on 6/23/2008 2:24 PM
Post by: SVstar34 on June 23, 2008, 10:47:47 AM
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Post by: Brickguy221 on June 23, 2008, 10:48:19 AM
Note where Jeff says...The Lethal Bite Reactive cover is a new coverstock for us at Hammer.
This should answer what the coverstock is for those that were doubting the coverstock.
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Post by: 302efi on June 23, 2008, 10:57:35 AM
Look at the line and the reaction, You mean to tell me that you cannot play that line with any of the other Widows ?
Good video no doubt and pretty lengthy to get lots of info is a plus !
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Sport Bowling is a F**king joke
Post by: Big Jake on June 23, 2008, 11:20:55 AM
btw, that ball looks pretty freaking sick, at least to me!
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Post by: BallsDeep on June 23, 2008, 12:34:55 PM
Just to comment, briefly on the other topic at hand. I really like chitown's comment on reaction shapes. When one has the ability to move their feet and play multiple lines to the pocket, overall hook potential is virtually meaningless. It is the breakpoint shape that determines where a ball can carry from and what angles it may be used from.
Though I don't own the bite, one of the major positives of the ball was the ability to shine it, and use it as a more angular version of the original. In shining the ball, it seemed as though it cleaner through the fronts than the original at box finish, yet more predictable in the midlane and through the pit than the pearl. Few needed the raw strength of the ball, but many benefitted from the using the strength as a polished alternative to the widow.
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Post by: pinspeaker on June 23, 2008, 12:57:52 PM
Post by: mrbowlingnut on June 23, 2008, 01:06:25 PM
Honestly I prefer watching guys like Britton throw it because he is more close to what i do, comparing to PBA imo is a big waste of time. If you happen to be that 1 percent of quality of player go off of that video, if you are more normal wait for Britton.
Even Britton throws it better than me and most players but he does a few shots and does actually show his off hits and yanks.
That is why I think he is more useful than big name guys who hawk there brand as being the almighty, who would say yeah the Solid is better than this new piece that we just made????
My problem with the Solid is just had a 2nd crack in 2 years, I really believe it is the One cover which is known around Vegas to crack left and right from our high heat.
Post by: 302efi on June 23, 2008, 01:08:51 PM
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I think what 302 is trying to say is, that of course there is a going to be a difference. But is there going to be a significant difference to where someone would need to get a Venom vs a Bite or an original BW if you already own one?
Exactly !
Is there really a spot for this ball...Or is it just another chance to sell us a ball we don't need ?
I shall rest now
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.
Sport Bowling is a F**king joke
Post by: 302efi on June 23, 2008, 01:27:54 PM
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That is why I think he is more useful than big name guys who hawk there brand as being the almighty, who would say yeah the Solid is better than this new piece that we just made????
QFT
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.
Sport Bowling is a F**king joke
Post by: Kid Jete on June 23, 2008, 02:33:21 PM
Edited on 6/23/2008 2:35 PM
Post by: 302efi on June 23, 2008, 02:44:13 PM
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Why are you trying to rain on everyone's parade?
How am I raining on everyones parade ?! So telling people they might be buying the same ball reaction is bad ? Helping bowlers spend their money wisely is bad ? Would you buy 4 balls that did the same thing ?!
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The Venom could have hooked across one lane and struck on another and we all knew exactly what you're response was going to be to the video
Thats what I was expecting by the way they describe it, no ?
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Cool it already.
No chance..You have your opinion and I have mine. You expressed yours and I will exress mine. I'm not in violation of any of BR rules...Were talking about bowling balls, no ?
Edited on 6/23/2008 2:48 PM
Post by: Kid Jete on June 23, 2008, 02:52:32 PM
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Why are you trying to rain on everyone's parade?
How am I raining on everyones parade ?! So telling people they might be buying the same ball reaction is bad ? Helping bowlers spend their money wisely is bad ? Would you buy 4 balls that did the same thing ?!quote:
The Venom could have hooked across one lane and struck on another and we all knew exactly what you're response was going to be to the video
Thats what I was expecting by the way they describe it, no ?
Edited on 6/23/2008 2:46 PM
Well you said all balls look the same on the THS. They shot the video on the Scorpion yet your response still supported all the crap you posted previously, weird. Not to mention you said this release was just a color and name change when Hammer specifically says it's a new coverstock. Personally I think it would be hard to make that assumption without seeing the other 3 throw on the same pattern by the same guys. For fun let's just say you are 100% correct with your statements. Without some kind of comparative proof all you're doing is stirring the pot. I would say 9 replies on here is borerline hating...
Edited on 6/23/2008 2:57 PM
Post by: chitown on June 23, 2008, 03:41:52 PM
Now Hammer/ Ebonite has not had that type of reputation. I feel Hammer/Ebonite has done a pretty good job of putting out new releases even though some maybe close in reaction to another ball in their line.
I understand where 302 is coming from but I don't think Hammer/ Ebonite tries to fool the bowlers like Brunswick tried. Nothing wrong with questioning what a ball maker is doing. I questioned the new Emerald Vibe release because it didn't make sense to me. Hammer discontinues the Blue Vibe which is a good amount different than the Cherry Vibe. They replace the Blue Vibe with a ball that's very close in reaction to the Cherry Vibe. I just didn't understand that type of thinking by Hammer. However, I don't know how well the BV was selling. I'm sure if the BV was selling like crazy they wouldn't of discontinued it.
I also look at it like this. If the BITE and VENOM are very close in reaction then just pick which color you like better. One doesn't need to have both in their arsenal if they don't want to but it's nice to have options to choose from.
Edited on 6/26/2008 8:30 AM
Post by: urbanshaft on June 23, 2008, 03:44:27 PM
Post by: mmcfarland300 on June 23, 2008, 04:50:20 PM
I agree there is minor variations in the overall angle shape and length and what not. I am not a BW fan I preferred the original No Mercy or better yet the Hawg line. The BW's to me seem to be to similair and the surface could be adjusted to reach the needs of the ball.
Post by: BShep on June 25, 2008, 10:44:42 AM
Post by: mmcfarland300 on June 25, 2008, 01:40:45 PM
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According to the BTM reviews, the Bite and Venom are nowhere near each other
Obviously I can't speak for the Venom but the other three can handle the same patterns with surface variation.
Post by: 302efi on June 25, 2008, 01:42:18 PM
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According to the BTM reviews, the Bite and Venom are nowhere near each other
Obviously I can't speak for the Venom but the other three can handle the same patterns with surface variation.
QFT.
I belive that even Ebonite said that a dulled pearl would handle more oil then a dulled solid reactive, lol
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Sport Bowling is a F**king joke
Post by: Kid Jete on June 25, 2008, 07:27:31 PM
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According to the BTM reviews, the Bite and Venom are nowhere near each other
Obviously I can't speak for the Venom but the other three can handle the same patterns with surface variation.
With the right surface prep you can make nearly any ball work on everything but the driest and wetting conditions, especially on the THS. What's your point?
Post by: NJStroker on June 25, 2008, 07:42:21 PM
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Post by: Brickguy221 on June 25, 2008, 07:49:34 PM
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According to the BTM reviews, the Bite and Venom are nowhere near each other
I'm anxiously awaiting my BTM which is over-due, so I can see what they say as I am interested in it. I normally receive it around the 22nd of each month and some months earlier like the 18th last month, but as of the 25th of this month, no magazine yet.
Wanting to see what they say about the Playmaker also. BShep, was the Ebonite Playmaker in this month's magazine?
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Post by: BShep on June 25, 2008, 08:43:20 PM
I just got my issue yesterday, so hopefully you'll have yours soon. They have 14 new balls reviews, including the Playmaker.
Post by: Brickguy221 on June 25, 2008, 10:14:33 PM
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Post by: mmcfarland300 on June 26, 2008, 08:27:43 AM
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According to the BTM reviews, the Bite and Venom are nowhere near each other
Obviously I can't speak for the Venom but the other three can handle the same patterns with surface variation.
With the right surface prep you can make nearly any ball work on everything but the driest and wetting conditions, especially on the THS. What's your point?
Even oob they aren't different enough to justify all 4. Hammer compares the balls saying this one is longer than this one or this one has a larger hook potential. But when your talking a board or 4 inches length is that really a big enough difference to make me go get it. Speed up or slow down your armswing and you get the same result.