I'm looking for input on these two as I'm looking for a heavy oil ball that I can get inside with when needed.  I have a gamebreaker, but due to its ultra low rg, it really is very rolly and works better for me when I'm going straighter.  These two present choices that are more angular and more agressive overall.

I'm currently leaning toward the Beat'n, but I'm worried about the continuation of the ball.  That Hart core design sort of forces the bowler to place the mass bias on the Val, which for me has made stuff relatively mild and has negatively affected the continuation of the ball.  If I go with that hart on track drill, the mb (being 90 degrees away) will wind up on my val.  I could conceivably take the hart and put it further left (I'm a righty) past the track, to make the mass bias wind up around a 75 degree angle.  This would entail a negative sided weight hole (probably).  My other option is to cut it with a drill where the hart is on the positive side of the ball, past the val.  This would sort of force me to go with a really long pin to pap distance, and a shorter pin out or really large weight hole.

This is where I'm thinking of getting the rising.  It has a standard asym core design, but it tends to check up very quickly and not be that angular off the spot.

If anyone has a suggestion about drilling a Beat'n, or about the Rising, it would be welcome.
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the hart core dose not force you to place the mb on the val.this is probably the #1 reason the NM line was wrote off.it's simple for a righty,the farther left of the thumb the closer the mb is to the thumb.the closer the hart on the left is to the thumb,the closer the mb is to the val.you want a late sharp backend,place the hart farther left.you want an early,smooth roll place the hart next to the thumb.figure it this way,the mb is 63/4" right of the hart.
I suggest going pin 41/2" from pap and the hart in the 3-4 track flare ring.take a ball,throw it and measure how far the 3-4 ring is from the thumb center and figure that's aprox where you want the hart.
I had a track rising with the #1 layout and it was the same basic reaction as the black widow with the skid/flip layout.I also had the original NM and it was a beast with good length,a better mid lane read and carried like a SOB.
here's a pic with my pap @ 5x0 http://www.putfile.com/pic/4207157
notice how far to the left the hart is?this ball was a work of art,to bad the pin placement caused a fatal crack.
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Bag?what bag?I don't need no stinken bag! perhaps you're right.I meant to say the total confusion on proper layout was the end of the N.M. it was only the people who went to the seminars that knew how to lay the ball out correctly.kinda like the rising #1 layout was good for everyone.that little bit of advice sent me running for Brunswick.
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