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kpbowler

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BWB good for medium-heavy
« on: June 19, 2008, 09:08:29 AM »
Is the black widow bite good for medium-heavy oil conditions?
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cjh2839

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Re: BWB good for medium-heavy
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2008, 05:20:10 PM »
yes it is.
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Hogsharley

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Re: BWB good for medium-heavy
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2008, 05:36:27 PM »
Medium-heavy yes. Heavy oil not really. The ball just goes too long for heavy oil. You may want to drill with pin under fingers.
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kpbowler

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Re: BWB good for medium-heavy
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2008, 05:49:20 PM »
ok. thanks guys
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lbss831

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Re: BWB good for medium-heavy
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2008, 10:38:06 PM »
i disagree hogsharley mines is good in heavy oil doesnt go long at all,and its drilled 2" from pap and its a pin up drill and is at 1000 grit
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Hogsharley

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Re: BWB good for medium-heavy
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2008, 10:43:42 PM »
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pin up drill and is at 1000 grit


Mine is pin up and OOB 4000 abralon. Your 1000 grit must handle the oil better.
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lbss831

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Re: BWB good for medium-heavy
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2008, 11:43:56 AM »
yes and i was surprised, just knew it would burn up , but it still retains alot of energy and flips hard on the back
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chitown

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Re: BWB good for medium-heavy
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2008, 12:38:55 PM »
Most bowling balls can be used on heavier conditions if the cover is brought to a low enough grit.  For example, I've used a Blue Vibe on heavier conditions with the coverstock at 1000 grit abralon.  

I feel it's more about what kind of reaction shape your looking for because most bowling balls can work on heavier conditions at the correct surface grit.
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lbss831

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Re: BWB good for medium-heavy
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2008, 12:49:28 PM »
yeah thats why i dont understand why ppl dont do that before they say the ball doesnt work, thats why they tell u to adjust the surfaces to your liking, to get what you are looking for the ball to do
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azguy

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Re: BWB good for medium-heavy
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2008, 09:47:55 AM »
JMO but some don't have spinners to adjust at home. Some may think the ball is at it's best at OOB. Some may just "go blindly in the night' with whatever the company says.

Hard to say. One thing I do not think most folks realize, oil. What may well be medium in one house may well be med/heavy, and so on. So what one person says here or on other sites they take as fact, for them it may well be but for another house/style it just doesn't add up.

What makes me think this was chitown and his Dooms. Here, I did what he did, didn't work on much over medium oil. Maybe slightly over at times because on Sundays we followed a PBA League, so some nights it was fine others, depending on what thier shot was, it just didn't.

I'm not saying he was not factual, shoot, he's forgot more about covers than most of us will ever learn, just that at one house it may well be different at another.

IMO, there's more to the cover grit than most want to deal with. Locally, last season, I adjusted covers on balls that the owners wanted to sell and get a new one. Why ? nothing more than it needed to be at a different grit. Once that was done they were happier than when they first got the ball.

So, IMO, the cover makes more to reaction than most want to believe.

Maybe, again, JMO.

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chitown

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Re: BWB good for medium-heavy
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2008, 12:13:50 PM »
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JMO but some don't have spinners to adjust at home. Some may think the ball is at it's best at OOB. Some may just "go blindly in the night' with whatever the company says.

Hard to say. One thing I do not think most folks realize, oil. What may well be medium in one house may well be med/heavy, and so on. So what one person says here or on other sites they take as fact, for them it may well be but for another house/style it just doesn't add up.

What makes me think this was chitown and his Dooms. Here, I did what he did, didn't work on much over medium oil. Maybe slightly over at times because on Sundays we followed a PBA League, so some nights it was fine others, depending on what thier shot was, it just didn't.

I'm not saying he was not factual, shoot, he's forgot more about covers than most of us will ever learn, just that at one house it may well be different at another.

IMO, there's more to the cover grit than most want to deal with. Locally, last season, I adjusted covers on balls that the owners wanted to sell and get a new one. Why ? nothing more than it needed to be at a different grit. Once that was done they were happier than when they first got the ball.

So, IMO, the cover makes more to reaction than most want to believe.

Maybe, again, JMO.

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Roger, very well said!  

Medium oil to me may be heavy for someone else!  We also need to consider ones game/ ball roll/ ball speed ect... .  Also can't forget what part of the lane there playing and what kind of pattern there bowling on.

I often wonder if some bowlers that have struggled with certain pieces of equipment are playing the best area on the lane for that particular pattern?

As you know i've experimented with many different bowling balls.  I've bought multiples of the same ball used the same layouts and adjusted to coverstocks to see what kind of differences I could find.  I learned a lot about bowling balls by doing these experiments.  I have come to some what of a conclusion about bowling balls.

Most bowling balls can work on most patterns if the coverstock is adjusted.  It's really that simple.  Now a dull 1000 grit Blue Vibe will work very well on heavier conditions.  will it be as strong as a NO MERCY(at 1000 grit)?  No!  However, it can give a good readable reaction and stronger is not always better. I also learned that the pearlized, so called medium oil or weaker bowling balls tend to be a lot more versatile to coverstock changes.  Hell I still remember when many on this site said I was crazy for dulling a pearlized bowling ball(doom). lol  

Take a look at WRW and Norm Duke.  WRW spent most of this last season using the NSANE LEVRG.  He had multiples of that ball with different layouts and coverstock grits.  He was able to win tourney's using that ball.  2 seasons ago Norm Duke used the SPIT FIRE 90 percent of the time.  He also had multiples of that ball with different layouts and cover grits and had a lot of success.  Does one need many different bowling balls in an arsenal?  I personally don't think so.

So when someone asks if a certain ball is good on heavy medium or light oil then my answer is usually yes if the ball is brought to the correct cover grit for that bowler and pattern.
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Re: BWB good for medium-heavy
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2008, 02:26:48 PM »
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So when someone asks if a certain ball is good on heavy medium or light oil then my answer is usually yes if the ball is brought to the correct cover grit for that bowler and pattern.
 


AND, the bowler know what to do with the ball...JMO
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chitown

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Re: BWB good for medium-heavy
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2008, 04:37:56 PM »
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So when someone asks if a certain ball is good on heavy medium or light oil then my answer is usually yes if the ball is brought to the correct cover grit for that bowler and pattern.
 


AND, the bowler know what to do with the ball...JMO
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No doubt!
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Re: BWB good for medium-heavy
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2008, 04:50:51 AM »
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Does one need many different bowling balls in an arsenal? I personally don't think so.


The examples you gave, demonstrated success with one ball with different layouts and grits. Now, obviously surface is adjustable, however, different layouts are, effectively, different balls, in all but name. I'd agree that the more versatile a player you are the less equipment you need, however, I think that sometimes there is a call for having two different balls rather than one ball laid out/sanded differently.
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chitown

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Re: BWB good for medium-heavy
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2008, 09:03:22 AM »
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Does one need many different bowling balls in an arsenal? I personally don't think so.


The examples you gave, demonstrated success with one ball with different layouts and grits. Now, obviously surface is adjustable, however, different layouts are, effectively, different balls, in all but name. I'd agree that the more versatile a player you are the less equipment you need, however, I think that sometimes there is a call for having two different balls rather than one ball laid out/sanded differently.
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Your correct, there are times when a different ball will give the bowler a better chance at scoring.  

The point I was trying to get across is this.  Your not always going to have a ball for every pattern you face unless you always bowl at the same place on the same pattern.  If your a bowler that bowls on many different types of patterns your going to come across a condition that just doesn't match up to your equipment unless you have a gigantic arsenal of bowling balls at your disposal.  Two seasons ago Norm Duke used the Spit Fire 95 percent of the time.  However, there were occasions when  he used a different ball because it was a better option.

If you find a particular ball that really works well for you then I feel it's wise to build an arsenal out of and around that ball.  Buy yourself 3 of that same ball and maybe one or two different balls for a different look.

What i'm saying are just my opinions.  This approach seems to work well for me.  






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