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Can I tame this ball without a full plug & re-drill?
« on: January 17, 2009, 09:58:59 AM »
Bought an Emerald VIBE from a friend of mine.  The drilling has the pin above the bridge and the CG is swung out right ( I am a right hander ) with no x-hole. I don't know any of the box specs on the ball, but it is about a 3inch pin-out. By my other stuff, close to a 5 X 3 for me.

 Ball is surprisingly strong.  Goes really long and recovers "on-a-dime".

  I'm going to have to plug either the fingers or thumb for a span change. Didn't want to have to plug the whole ball if I didn't have to.  I think before I did that, I would just get a NIB and drill it differently.

  Any help, advice, suggestions would be appreciated.
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Re: Can I tame this ball without a full plug & re-drill?
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2009, 08:35:54 PM »
First off, take the cover down from 4000 polished just 4000 no polish, then if still too much backend, try 1000. From my experience with both the Cherry and Emerald vibe is that they really do turn hard on the backend.

If you are still having too much flip you can drill the fingers deeper. This will do two things. It will remove finger weight, which creates some more bottom weight which will give more hook in the front as opposed to the backend, and it would take top weight out of the ball adding bottom weight which will also use more energy in the front and less in the back.
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Re: Can I tame this ball without a full plug & re-drill?
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2009, 09:07:45 PM »
I'm a little confused on how to reply... What is the question you are asking?
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Re: Can I tame this ball without a full plug & re-drill?
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2009, 07:53:44 AM »
I think SVstar34 has the right question.  If you want the span to fit, then just plugging the fingers or the thumb would work providing the pitches are correct.  If the pitches are not correct, then you might have to plug the whole ball.  If the span is really close, you could put a thumb plug in the thumb hole and re-drill and if needed fill the finger holes and re-drill. This will also let you extend the span.

This will not change the reaction of the ball unless your pap is different.  If you are a high tracker and the person who owns the ball now is a low tracker, you might get the same ball reaction as that person.


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Re: Can I tame this ball without a full plug & re-drill?
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2009, 10:45:08 AM »
Sorry for the confusion guys.  What I am going to have to do is plug SOMETHING, either the thumb or the fingers, to adjust the span for proper fit.

  What I was asking is this. Since I am going to be plugging PART of the ball anyway, would it be possible to leave the drilling as it is ( 5 X 3 ) and tame it with an X-hole and surface, or, would I have to completely plug the ball and redrill it in a completely different configuration to tame it down much?

  This video from buddiesproshop show a ball drilled like mine ( except this one has an X-hole in it ).  Mine seems to be longer and sharper by quite a bit, but played on the same targeting as this one was. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfcFY5AfzUo

  What the ball does now isn't horrible, just very lengthy and very sharp flip, that gets violent after the lanes start breaking down.


  The reason I asked this way is, before I would do a complete plug and reconfigure ( if that is what it would take to calm it down much ), I would just adjust the span on this one ( leaving it at 5 X 3 ) and get another NIB to drill with the tamer configuration.

  Hope this helps clear up my question.  I like the ball, just didn't think it would be THIS long or THIS sharp.
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Re: Can I tame this ball without a full plug & re-drill?
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2009, 12:40:51 PM »
I would try taming it with surface first after you adjust the span, if it's still too violent, then i'd suggest adding an x-hole or possibly doing a complete plug and re-drill.
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Re: Can I tame this ball without a full plug & re-drill?
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2009, 01:12:36 PM »
If the cg is swung way right and has no weight hole, how does that ball stay legal?  It must mean that the top weight is pretty low.  What you need to do is:

1. Plug the thumb hole to correct the span
2. FIRST adjust the cover 2 take shine off and see if that works for you.
3.  If not, then put a weight hole which should smoothen out the reaction.

If none of those things works for you, plug and redrill and drill a layout designed for a smoother backend.
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Re: Can I tame this ball without a full plug & re-drill?
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2009, 01:40:52 PM »
Take the ball down to 500 and back up to 4000 with no polish. U can also put a weight hole to smooth out the reaction.
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Re: Can I tame this ball without a full plug & re-drill?
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2009, 07:13:49 PM »
The Emerald is a ball that can be tweaked to really dial in the reaction.

I took a 2000 abralon pad to mine, and it really smoothed out the ball greatly.
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Re: Can I tame this ball without a full plug & re-drill?
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2009, 04:05:20 AM »
I have nothing special to add except an order changes.
1. Try 4000 matte finish first.
2. If #1 doesn't work, then add a weight hole to increase flare. It'll make the ball hook earlier in the midlane smoothing out the snap to some degree.
3. If #2 doesn't work, then try 2000 Abralon matte finish, if the other steps are not enough. P2000 grit will make it earlier and require more oil or moving left/deeper. It might change the characteistics for which you bought the ball.
3B. You can also try P2000 grit or P1500 grit plus light, non-abrasive polish. This is still rougher under the polish than the stock P4000 grit and will grab the midlane earlier, but not as early as P2000 matte finish.

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Re: Can I tame this ball without a full plug & re-drill?
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2009, 07:26:24 PM »
Thanks for the replies guys.

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I have nothing special to add except an order changes.
1. Try 4000 matte finish first.
2. If #1 doesn't work, then add a weight hole to increase flare. It'll make the ball hook earlier in the midlane smoothing out the snap to some degree.

3. If #2 doesn't work, then try 2000 Abralon matte finish, if the other steps are not enough. P2000 grit will make it earlier and require more oil or moving left/deeper. It might change the characteistics for which you bought the ball.
3B. You can also try P2000 grit or P1500 grit plus light, non-abrasive polish. This is still rougher under the polish than the stock P4000 grit and will grab the midlane earlier, but not as early as P2000 matte finish.

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  Was thinking the same direction as 1 and 2 above, especially 2. Thought if I started the flare earlier in the oil, it might smooth out the backend reaction some.

  Also, forgive me a "DUH" type question, but what exactly is P2000?  I have access to abralon, but I get the impression you are meaning something else because you refer to abralon specifically when talking about it.
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Re: Can I tame this ball without a full plug & re-drill?
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2009, 08:12:40 PM »
Abralon is graded according to FEPA regulations/standards, the European ABrasive manufacturers. Most wet/dry sandpaper, until recently has been graded via CAMI regulations/standards. CAMi is the US equivalent of FEPA.

FEPA standards usually have a "P" before the number to indicate they are different from the US/CAMI number. If yo ulook at the rear of most current wet/dry sandpaper you'll see they have a "P" indicating they've been manufactured according to FEPA standards. Most US manufacturers are now following these standards because they are more uniform.

2000 grit Abralon  =  P2000 grit = 2000 FEPA grit = 1000 US grit
1000 grit Abralon  =  P1000 grit = 1000 FEPA grit ~= 550 US grit.
4000 grit Abralon  =  P4000 grit = 4000 FEPA grit = 2000 US grit.
500 grit Abralon   =  P500 grit  = 500 FEPA grit  ~= 360 US grit.
(these are from the conversion chart printed by Mirka, the Finnish designer and manufacturer of Abralon and Abranet abrasives.)

FYI As far as Scotch Brite nylon abrasive pads are concerned, the grit level for them that we have been using,
maroon = 320 grit US
green = 600 grit US
light grey = 800 grit US
blue = 1000 grit US
are all according to CAMI or US standards.

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