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Title: circles on blackwidow cover?
Post by: kleptic on October 09, 2007, 02:30:29 AM

my black widow came in today. do all black widows have these markings or has this ball been plugged? they look like plug marks.

http://www.kleptic.com/bw1.jpg
http://www.kleptic.com/bw2.jpg
http://www.kleptic.com/bw3.jpg
http://www.kleptic.com/bw4.jpg

thanks

Title: Re: circles on blackwidow cover?
Post by: KDawg77 on October 09, 2007, 10:32:28 AM

You could tell if it was truly plugged. There would be more distinct lines around the circles. That looks like funny coverstock patterns.
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Title: Re: circles on blackwidow cover?
Post by: shelley on October 09, 2007, 10:35:01 AM

Definitely not the prettiest ball ever, but I don't think the thing has been plugged.  Poor mixing, I'd say.

SH

Title: Re: circles on blackwidow cover?
Post by: BigDogBowling on October 09, 2007, 10:35:35 AM

I got one that looked like that. The pro shop owner told me it was a blem, and gave it to me for $140, drilled. It has the same markings as yours.

Title: Re: circles on blackwidow cover?
Post by: kleptic on October 09, 2007, 10:38:47 AM

yeah i got it new from buddies and those definatly look like small plug marks from coverstock repair.

i remember my first bowling ball had been destroyed by playing on really bad lanes and the bowling alley made small drill marks and plugged them and it looks really close to what this looks like, but i paid for a new ball :/

Edited on 10/9/2007 10:39 AM

Title: Re: circles on blackwidow cover?
Post by: KDawg77 on October 09, 2007, 10:41:57 AM

Buddies ships from warehouses so there's no way the ball was in a pro shop and had a chance to be plugged. If you have a problem, please contact Bill or Chris. They're awesome will help you the best they can.
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Title: Re: circles on blackwidow cover?
Post by: kleptic on October 09, 2007, 10:43:19 AM

yeah its obviously not plugged from being drilled for a player, it looks like it had coverstock repair done before it left the factory. like its a blem. and yeah buddies is great. I'm sure they will take care of it, I just wanted some verification on what those marks were.





Edited on 10/9/2007 10:45 AM

Title: Re: circles on blackwidow cover?
Post by: KDawg77 on October 09, 2007, 10:45:58 AM

Companies don't plug balls before they leave production. A ball requiring that would never hit the market, even as a blem.
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Edited on 10/9/2007 10:45 AM

Title: Re: circles on blackwidow cover?
Post by: kleptic on October 09, 2007, 10:48:14 AM

I don't see how any bad mixing would cause perfectly round circles like that, and there is one part in the picture where it looks like a big scratch was drilled through several times then plugged. my ball that had coverstock repair done looked exactly like that. they drilled the holes several places in the crack to make the plug material didnt fall out.

if all black widows dont have these markings, something is cleary wrong with this one.

Title: Re: circles on blackwidow cover?
Post by: azguy on October 09, 2007, 10:49:39 AM

I had a NM Beat'N come in that looked like that. Cleaned it, took a drop of lane oil on my finger, touched it and that's what it looked like after the oil soaked in.

Not saying it's not a blem, but IMO, it's drops of something from the factory that got on the cover.

I did a quick Clean N Dull on the NMB and all but one spot went away.
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Title: Re: circles on blackwidow cover?
Post by: KDawg77 on October 09, 2007, 10:52:31 AM

I sent an email to Brian Graham at Hammer Bowling with your photos to see if he can explain this. I'll post the answer when I receive his reply.
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Title: Re: circles on blackwidow cover?
Post by: kleptic on October 09, 2007, 10:56:25 AM

quote:

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They are patch marks .. all new balls have them

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all new balls have patch marks?

Title: Re: circles on blackwidow cover?
Post by: kleptic on October 09, 2007, 10:57:00 AM

quote:

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I sent an email to Brian Graham at Hammer Bowling with your photos to see if he can explain this. I'll post the answer when I receive his reply.

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thank you

Title: Re: circles on blackwidow cover?
Post by: kleptic on October 10, 2007, 02:01:30 AM

mystery solved, some clean n dull removed the dark black circles and also removed all the blue looking stuff all over the ball that I thought were just weird markings.

its strange how defined those circles were, i tried some normal ebonite cleaner on them before i posted this and it had zero effect on them.

ball spinner and clean-n-dull and it looks like a different ball now though.

thanks for the replies.

Title: Re: circles on blackwidow cover?
Post by: Pinhammer on October 10, 2007, 07:47:26 AM

Those are where the ball sits and waits to be packed. the funny looking tint on the cover is where the ball absorbs the moisture in the air. There are no ill effects in the ball when its is like this.  It is part of the phazing process.
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Title: Re: circles on blackwidow cover?
Post by: KDawg77 on October 16, 2007, 07:22:14 AM

Just got this from Brian Graham, Hammer Brand Manager (he was out of the office last week):

"The black marks are not plug marks.  They are impact marks that are caused during shipping and during our manufacturing process as the balls roll down the production line.  The Black Widow coverstock is extremely aggressive and is susceptible to phasing (when the coverstock lightens in color).  Once the ball hits something, it will leave a dark circle or mark on the ball.  Once the ball has been thrown a game or two, the marks will disappear.  The impact marks will no affect on the performance of the ball."

MatchARing and Pinhammer are correct.
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Title: Re: circles on blackwidow cover?
Post by: Beef STL on November 16, 2007, 02:28:23 AM

When I first saw it, it almost looked like the effects the cold had on my Weapon of Mass Bias:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v379/ANamelessNumber6/Equipment/Cold%20WMB/
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