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FastTracker33

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How is your Venom drilled?
« on: October 12, 2008, 12:36:01 PM »
Hey everyone, subject says it all here. I'm wondering how your Venom is drilled and what reaction it gives you. I'm a high tracker, 15mph ball speed, 300rpms, and i'm just not sure how I want to drill it. I would drill it pin up, but my Pyscho, Doom, and Emerald Vibe are drilled pin over fingers already, and I also have a Razyr. Opinions?
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Re: How is your Venom drilled?
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2008, 08:53:01 PM »
I woould go with the stacked leverage like we talked about this morning. Talk to Beans also and explain to him my opinion. Go from there. Pin under will get it to read the lane earlier .
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FastTracker33

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Re: How is your Venom drilled?
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2008, 09:03:04 PM »
Jim, i'll definitely tell Beans about that one. I'll also tell him about where you suggested the MB be placed. Thanks for that help!
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Dyno-Joe

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Re: How is your Venom drilled?
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2008, 09:05:38 PM »
I have one drilled 65 by 5 by 50 with a p2 hole. Also it is at 2000 grit abralon. For me it rolls like a little lengthier Bite. Just a tiny bit cleaner through the front part of the lane. Thrown a Bite but do not have one. What exactly are you looking for with this ball?
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FastTracker33

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Re: How is your Venom drilled?
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2008, 09:08:48 PM »
Dyno-Joe, thanks for the comment.

Out of my Venom, I just want it to react differently than my Emerald Vibe, Doom and Pyscho. Due to the way I throw, I have a hard time getting a ball down the lane, and i'm just hoping the Venom gets down the lane easier with a hard reaction on the back.
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Re: How is your Venom drilled?
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2008, 09:15:43 PM »
If you know Dual Angle Layout then like a 70 to 90 first angle with like a 4 1/2 to 5 inch pin to pap to make it have a higher flare with a 30 to 50 back angle. Basically that should give you what you are looking for, key word is should (not an experienced ball driller but I am learning). With your ball speed being down you are actually rev dominant so you want to use lengthier pins to get the ball downlane, then a medium to strong mass bias placement to get it have enough on the backend. Does that help?
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FastTracker33

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Re: How is your Venom drilled?
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2008, 09:21:14 PM »
Dyno-Joe, by 30-50 back angle, are you talking MB degrees-wise? Otherwise, I understand what you're saying, completely. It actually sounds like a good idea. I am going to see where exactly a 4 1/2" pin is placed on the ball for me. I've actually had high success with 4-4 1/2" pin layouts.

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Dyno-Joe

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Re: How is your Venom drilled?
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2008, 09:27:43 PM »
Ok got to be honest, I have NO idea how to describe the back angle haha. I know what it does and is used for but no idea how to describe it. I know there are 2 ways of laying out a ball using an angle or angles, the first one was the one I found out through Brunswick, one angle and pin to pap. The new one is from Mo Pinel which incorporates 2 angles and pin to pap to get the desired ball reaction.

You're welcome, but sorry I can't be of much more help.
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Re: How is your Venom drilled?
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FastTracker33

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Re: How is your Venom drilled?
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2008, 12:15:15 PM »
Dyno-Joe, thanks again. I'll figure it out somehow lol. I'll just have to do some reading.. Otherwise, you gave me another layout idea, so thanks!

I was also thinking of the possible TJ trick layout. I'm pretty sure the layout is a 5" pin to PAP, 1" pin to VAL, 75 degree MB angle (which puts it around the grip area).
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Re: How is your Venom drilled?
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2008, 06:38:02 PM »
I'd be very careful with the trick layout, it tends to make a ball that can be very snappy yet very unpredictable, its a layout that works for only about 10% from what i've seen.

I'd strongly recommend a 4-1/2 to 5 inch pin to pap and utilize the dual angle system to accommodate what you are looking for, and to me that sounds like your looking at something like 70-5-30 layout.

But thats just something to munch on, i'm sure Beans will have a good idea of what you need as well.
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Re: How is your Venom drilled?
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2008, 08:23:14 AM »
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I'd be very careful with the trick layout, it tends to make a ball that can be very snappy yet very unpredictable, its a layout that works for only about 10% from what i've seen.


As a parttime driller, I wouldn't recommend a trick layout for mere mortals.  Those trick layouts are to give the pros a specific reaction on a specific pattern on a specific surface.  Those guys are good, leave the tricky stuff to them.


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