Ok, Threw mine last night at 4000....I was worried after my practice session but I guess it was drier than I thought. Ball was great on the fresh......261,257,186, as you can see I stayed with it too long, I should have put it away. Its smooth but continuous for me, carried great!! Needs oil but if you put it away when you should it will be a great ball......way way smoother than the Jet Black at 4000. Id say 4-5 feet earlier and 3-4 boards stronger on the fresh than the Jet Black at 4000. Really nice controllable arc! 705 first night out not so bad!! 518 in the first two......