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cjh2839

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which ball is suited for heavier oil
« on: June 27, 2007, 01:11:45 PM »
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No Mercy Beat'n (even though it hasnt came out i think the Hawgzilla would be better on heavy oil)
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Re: which ball is suited for heavier oil
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2007, 09:30:00 AM »
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I think a lot of people "fail" with a ball, because it burns up.  Most THS are not conditions suitable for the NM with a #1, and OOB.  Or, a Zilla.   Just my opinion.


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Re: which ball is suited for heavier oil
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2007, 10:19:53 AM »
Well bud for starters I have a right to my opioion and you have no right to call it false. So IMO Hawgzilla will work best in oil because the cover and core were designed to work in oil and mind you I am talking large volumes of oil, not your measly house shot.

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that is a totally false statement.. Just because a ball is a mid line ball does not mean it is weaker than a high priced ball..

Like I said before, I have actually thrown both balls with very similar drillings and for me the Anger is stronger...

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Re: which ball is suited for heavier oil
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2007, 10:33:28 AM »
I have my opinion and you have yours.. I agree with your statement 110%.

By the way, have you used BOTH balls on oil??? I also do not bowl on just a measly house shot.. I bowl in a travleling league that has all kinds of conditions.. I had and used the Zilla on multiple shots and for me the ball stunk.. I personally don't know anyone that liked the Zilla.. Some might have liked it and thats great.. IMO, there is a reason it was discontinued.. I just don't think it was the oil ball that Hammer said it would be..

I was saying your statement on mid line balls not being as strong as the zilla was false.. Sorry if that offended you..

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Well bud for starters I have a right to my opioion and you have no right to call it false. So IMO Hawgzilla will work best in oil because the cover and core were designed to work in oil and mind you I am talking large volumes of oil, not your measly house shot.

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that is a totally false statement.. Just because a ball is a mid line ball does not mean it is weaker than a high priced ball..

Like I said before, I have actually thrown both balls with very similar drillings and for me the Anger is stronger...

My first child.. Hannah Allison Kiser born 4/30/2007... My little angel..

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Re: which ball is suited for heavier oil
« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2007, 01:01:35 PM »
I have not used Hammer gear but I talked to my Pro shop and a friend of mine last night about this topic and they both agree that the HawgZilla is better suited for a heavy oil condition, We also agree that Anger will have more length through the heads and midlane which will get it past the oil but HawgZilla will rev up IN the oil, That is why I would Choose Hawgzilla!
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Re: which ball is suited for heavier oil
« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2007, 01:16:16 PM »
The Anger box finish is 2000 abralon and the Hawg-zilla is 4000 abralon.. With just the coverstock in mind, the Anger will hook more in oil as the surface is duller.. They are both reactive covers. I had a Hawg-zilla and it did not like oil at all in box finish. Now once I took it down to 1000 abralon, it was a decent oil ball, but not in box finish.. I am sure if I took the Anger down to 1000 it would handle alot more oil as well..

I would email Brian Graham (Brand Manager) with Hammar and ask him his opinion. He has already told me in emails that the Anger is a great oil ball, but let him answer your question as he is for sure the expert on all Hammer equipment, both past and present..

You are gonna get alot of different opinions and you will have to decide for yourself what to go with..
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Re: which ball is suited for heavier oil
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2007, 02:08:31 PM »
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Man, I just wish I could see enough oil around here to warrant the Anger or NM on the majority of conditions I bowl on.   Then, some are drilling the Anger at 4" ??  

Man, I am lucky if I can go stronger than a 5" TOXIC.  

I think a lot of people "fail" with a ball, because it burns up.  Most THS are not conditions suitable for the NM with a #1, and OOB.  Or, a Zilla.   Just my opinion.  


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Jason, this is why I always roll my pearl ball first.  Rolling a pearl reactive down the lane will show if there's light or heavier oil.  Reading the lanes with a solid reactive can be mis-leading.  Sometimes it's hard to tell if the solid reactive is burning up.

I bowled on a broken down viper pattern last week.  I tried using a NO MERCY playing a deep line.  The NM had a decent reaction through out the lane but nothing special.  I grabbed my DOOM and played the same inside line (between 4th and 5th arrow) but had a much more powerful reaction.  Now I would of never thought the NM was burning up because of the oil on the ball when it came from the return.  Very mis-leading!  The DOOM showed me the inside part of the lanes were med to light amounts of oil at best.

I'm sure there's a lot of bowlers using balls that are way too strong for the conditions.  I'm sure many of those powerful bowling balls are burning up.  Some bowlers know this is happening.  Other bowlers will call that powerful ball a "dud that doesn't hook a lot" not knowing it's burning up.

For the reasons above, I choose to use a reactive pearl as my first ball out of the bag to test the lanes.
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Re: which ball is suited for heavier oil
« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2007, 12:41:21 PM »
my hawgzilla is pin next to ring cg stacked wit a weight hole but its polished and i got my BW dull NM 500 Zilla polished for now but? might keep it that way?
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Re: which ball is suited for heavier oil
« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2007, 12:44:20 PM »
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my hawgzilla is pin next to ring cg stacked wit a weight hole but its polished and i got my BW dull NM 500 Zilla polished for now but? might keep it that way?
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As far as how you have your gear setup that is something you have to decide, are you most comfortable with them as they are? Or would you feel better if they were different? Up to you my friend. Personally I would bring the Zilla down to a more aggressive finish, bring the Widow back to box or have it plosihed just a little past box, then  bring the No Mercy to box then your line up will be like this

Heavy-Zilla
Med- NM
Light to Med-Widow

This my opinion, you asked this is what you get.
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