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Title: Dry Ball suggestions
Post by: 225Kingpin on October 25, 2006, 05:43:00 AM: Im a stroker.. throwing about 10-12 mph on the 12 board..i am currently using a smoking inferno and it works great on med+ lanes but i need a ball for dry lane conditions... any suggestions?
Title: Re: Dry Ball suggestions
Post by: chrisleftwich on October 25, 2006, 01:44:37 PM: The Rotogrip Mercury. It's a pearl and goes very long and then gradually turns. Good dry lane ball
Title: Re: Dry Ball suggestions
Post by: Noy on October 25, 2006, 01:45:06 PM: Hammer Vibe or Track Heat Blast/Desert Heat
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Title: Re: Dry Ball suggestions
Post by: Charles on October 25, 2006, 01:51:01 PM: As slow as your speed is, I wouls suggest the Red XXXl also. You may get away with a Power Groove Dry/R with a week drilling.
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Title: Re: Dry Ball suggestions
Post by: directdrill on October 25, 2006, 01:53:14 PM: If you can find it, I would recommend the Track Desert Heat. Just got one from Clint Daley and man, that ball is smooth. My first piece of Track equipment and I'm very impressed. Be careful of the Tropical Storm. I have one and don't really care for it on dry conditions. If you get one, put a very weak drill on it and keep it polished.
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Title: Re: Dry Ball suggestions
Post by: 225Kingpin on October 25, 2006, 01:58:04 PM: I actually sold my storm core power to a buddy.. i love my smokin tho.. i think ill try the xxxl
Title: Re: Dry Ball suggestions
Post by: Wolfstrike on October 25, 2006, 02:01:21 PM: Tropical Storm Would Be a Fine Product for what you are looking for.
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Title: Re: Dry Ball suggestions
Post by: anotherwindup on October 26, 2006, 06:57:06 AM: IS THIS STILL THE HAMMER FORUM?????

If you are truely looking for a DRY lane ball, then you could go with a burgundy PURE, or I bet you are really looking for a purple VIBE.

I have 4 VIBES in my arsenal. They all play well on light/dry conditions.

Hmm.....Hammer forum and S,B,and T balls being mentioned????????????
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Title: Re: Dry Ball suggestions
Post by: Charles on October 26, 2006, 07:06:23 AM: Yes, this is the Hammer forum but does that matter? He even said he loves his Smokin Inferno which is not Hammer. Chill out. We are making recommendations based on best chance to score, PERIOD. Not just by Hammer which by the way, doesn't really have a great dry lane ball. Vibe is stronger than advertised and so are the pure hammers. If he could move in, then maybve these are options but to keep him in his comfort zone, I do not recommend any of those.
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Title: Re: Dry Ball suggestions
Post by: ten pin killler on October 26, 2006, 07:56:19 AM: The Vibe is not stronger than advertised. If you cant keep it off the headpin with a Vibe, then it is a toast condition which is not even remotely considered a light oil pattern but more of a neglected, overused pair of lanes. In that case, plastic would be the most viable option of which the Tuff fits the bill.
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Title: Re: Dry Ball suggestions
Post by: Charles on October 26, 2006, 08:12:14 AM: Ten Pin Killer, I respect your opinion but I strongly disagree. His comfort zone is not inside when the lanes dry up and the Tuff is just like most plastic balls and does not carry very well. The XXXL has more pop to it with a better core wrapped by plastic. You have to consider all the intangeables.
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Title: Re: Dry Ball suggestions
Post by: anotherwindup on October 26, 2006, 09:19:49 AM: quote:
Yes, this is the Hammer forum but does that matter? He even said he loves his Smokin Inferno which is not Hammer. Chill out. We are making recommendations based on best chance to score, PERIOD. Not just by Hammer which by the way, doesn't really have a great dry lane ball. Vibe is stronger than advertised and so are the pure hammers. If he could move in, then maybve these are options but to keep him in his comfort zone, I do not recommend any of those.
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Just a hunch but if he was looking for a Lane 1 ball, wouldn't he have posted this topic in Lane 1's forum? They do have one, don't they?

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Title: Re: Dry Ball suggestions
Post by: ten pin killler on October 26, 2006, 09:35:10 AM: I would venture to say that 225's problem is his lack of ball speed more than it is anything else, not the ball or condition. I have no problem with Lane #1 products since I happen to own one and I also agree that the XXXL will have more pop than a Tuff (which is Hammers answer to a White Dot/Maxim, etc, etc). The only thing I disagree with is that you contend that a Vibe is stronger than advertised and that Hammer doesnt have a great dry lane ball. I will agree that a Vibe is pretty strong for toast in which plastic is the only viable option. There is a difference between a fresh light oil pattern and neglected toast............
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Title: Re: Dry Ball suggestions
Post by: chitown on October 26, 2006, 09:43:56 AM: I have heard some great things about the vibes. I have never seen one thrown so I can't suggest weather that is going to be a good choice or not for your situation.

I will say this though. On a really dry synthetic lane there's not one reactive ball that will work great. I had a desert heat drilled to go long. I placed the pin above my bridge 5.5" from pap. On real dry synthetic lanes it was too much ball.

With your slow ball speed and synthetic lanes I would venture to say that the SLATE BLUE GARGOYLE would probably be your best bet. This ball has a urethane cover and a decent core. I have seen one in action and it works very good on dry lanes. In fact i'm kind of surprised other ball makers don't make a urethane ball with a strong core.

Hammer guys if your reading this take note. Make a urethane ball with a strong core for dry lanes.
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Title: Re: Dry Ball suggestions
Post by: ten pin killler on October 26, 2006, 09:56:19 AM: I agree Chi.........I would love to see a modern hammer urethane or plastic hammer with a performance core. My Faball blue pearl and my Red Faball are still very servicable but it would be cool to see some modern retro Hammers like those in action.
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Title: Re: Dry Ball suggestions
Post by: HammerHombre on October 27, 2006, 05:58:34 AM: 225- Since you asked this question in our Hammer forum, go with a Purple Vibe, or a Pure Hammer Burgundy. These will be your best choices, hands down. Drill this with a 5 or 6" pin, and polish the ball, you will LOVE the ball roll!

As for the question about a high performance core in a plastic ball....I suggested this to Ron Hickland at one point a few yrs back, and he told me why it will never be produced. Basically, the high perf block will result in the ball attempting to make a strong move at the break point, but (because ball reaction is about 80% surface) the ball will NEVER react because it is a plastic shell. This type of core costs a lot to produce, nobody would pay for it because it is simply a plastic ball. This is the explanation I was given by Mr. Ron. With regards to the same type of weight block in a Urethane, I cannot answer that, I suppose it would be a much better fit than a plastic shell, but I dont have the engineering degree, so I cannot answer.

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Title: Re: Dry Ball suggestions
Post by: dizzyfugu on October 27, 2006, 06:38:45 AM: quote:

As for the question about a high performance core in a plastic ball....I suggested this to Ron Hickland at one point a few yrs back, and he told me why it will never be produced. Basically, the high perf block will result in the ball attempting to make a strong move at the break point, but (because ball reaction is about 80% surface) the ball will NEVER react because it is a plastic shell.

That's why I do not see any point in the XXXL- except for absolutely dry lanes. The only benefit in a non-grip ball is IMHO that it stabilizes into a roll after some time. But you cannot exploit the ball's energy through grip and do not benefit from the high friction surface upon pin impact.
An urethane coverstock is IMHO a step up - I have a Slate Blue Gargoyle, and it has some grip on dry boards which exploit the ball's core quite effectively. Pin carry is also very good - pins are kept low like with a reactive. But the ball is touchy to any oil or carrydown. Guess these are only true niche products.
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Title: Re: Dry Ball suggestions
Post by: 225Kingpin on October 30, 2006, 02:02:39 PM: can you explain the drill pattern you gave.. im totally new to bowling language..oh also..getting a BW soon.. after i figure out my correct layout..
Title: Re: Dry Ball suggestions
Post by: Arickeo7 on October 30, 2006, 10:29:11 PM: red pin classic zone(if you can find one), drilled weak and shined to the max...love it
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