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Moon57

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For people that have a Rayzr
« on: December 15, 2008, 07:31:06 PM »
What do you have the surface at and where did you put the pin in the layout? I hit mine with 4000 abr to take the shine off and drilled it per instructions at 3/4" over and 3/4" up from grip center. I'd like to hear from other people about their layout and surface. Wondering how versatile this ball can be.

Mine has a nice smooth arc and no jump. Seems to work best up the outside. Excellent ball to have in the bag.
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D Scott Johnson

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Re: For people that have a Rayzr
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2008, 07:10:36 AM »
Left mine in box condition.
Drilled with pin about 3/4" right and about 1" up from center of grip.
Nice down and in ball from the outside if you have some lane help (dry) down the lane.  It is actually pretty strong through the pin deck.

That was my experience with it.

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Moon57

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Re: For people that have a Rayzr
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2008, 07:37:22 AM »
I also noticed that the ball has a good amount of power at the pins. Maybe Hammer is on to something by using reactive covers and no core.
  When I hit mine with the 4000 abr it wasn't quite so touchy with oil. I'm thinking of getting another Rayzr and taking it to 1000 abr. At 1000 it might be a good ball for between med and dry.
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Re: For people that have a Rayzr
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2008, 12:07:57 PM »
Mine is drilled pin/cg around the palm like the recomend. The ball for me is surprisingly strong. I was hoping to play down and it with it, but it move alot on the back for me.

The Rayzr moves a ton off the dry.
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Re: For people that have a Rayzr
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2008, 01:48:55 PM »
Have 2.  Same basic drilling in both, but took the shine off of one and kept one out of box.

The ball gets a lot of carry on lighter hits for me. More than any other ball I've owned.

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Re: For people that have a Rayzr
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2008, 06:04:28 AM »
I've thought about taking the shine off of mine, to see if it evens out, and gets rid of the snappy backend off of the dry.

The only thing I worry about would be carry issues at times.
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Moon57

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Re: For people that have a Rayzr
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2008, 07:43:41 AM »
Fatboy, I think taking the ball to 4000 would make it smoother. You can always put it back if it doesn't work out. Your actually the first person I've heard say that the ball snaps on the backend.
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Re: For people that have a Rayzr
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2008, 10:44:59 AM »
Mine is at OOB, with the drill instruction.     It snaps of the dry, I think a little too much.   i want to take it to 4000, but I'm waiting you guys to report on it first!     Right now it's my OOB shiny ten pin ball.....and I still have to take my hand out of it, because she has sneaky power off the dry.....BEWARE
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Re: For people that have a Rayzr
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2008, 11:28:52 AM »
Guys,

  Having a very low dynamic weightblock ( as the RAZYR does ) does not preclude the ball from hooking off the dry.  What causes ANY ball to hook is friction.

  The low dynamic weight system used in the RAZYR limits only the RG and Diff, but has no influence whatsoever on how much friction is created when it reaches a truly dry area.

  The more flare a ball has, the better able to handle an oilier shot it becomes, due to the fact that fresh ball surface is in contact with the lane surface with every revolution.  The Hammer RAZYR, on the other hand, has very little flare potential and rotates basically over the same area of the ball, allowing it to keep what little oil it picks up in the heads in contact with the lane surface for a longer period of time, thus creating a ball that is much easier to get through dry parts of the lane.

  However, when it finally does rotate off the oil track on the ball, or the oil track depletes itself off the ball due to contact with the truly dry lane surface, the very reactive cover then becomes the dynamic force that causes the ball to hook.  I believe the RAZYR has the strongest reactive cover ever used on a three piece ball, and therefore should give a strong read of the dry lane once the oiltrack on the ball has been depleted.

  To put it simply, You could look at it like this.  To create enough energy to strike, a ball has to creat that energy by multiplying the rotational energy of the ball ( core ) by the friction factor.  The stronger the core, the more friction can be created in a higher volume of oil, due to "flaring" fresh ball surface on each revolution. The weaker the core, the less volume of oil the ball can handle to create that friction, due to the low/non flaring nature of the ball which NEEDS the dry to create enough friction.  

  The RAZYR's weightblock is designed to let the high friction on the lane surface be the main factor in creating this energy instead of the core, thus creating a ball that actually NEEDS the truly dry part of the lane to work well.

  Trust me, if the lanes get TRULY dry, the RAZYR will hook just as much as those "HIGH PERFORMANCE" pills do on oily lanes.

  Two years ago, I averaged over 200 ( 208 actually ) with an old ebonite Tornado warning ( same weightblock as the RAZYR with a weaker cover ).  Had to finish it at 800 grit sanded, but it would hook off the dry outside and still carry.  Pi$$ed a lot of guys off to because the lanes NEVER got too dry for me!
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Re: For people that have a Rayzr
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2008, 02:04:56 PM »
The cover stock on the Razyr is just sick. It's a little brother to the cover of the Sauce in my eyes lol. Any ball will hook on friction, my BW Clear will hook away from a 10 pin at times when it's too dry, and don't take enough hand out of it.

I think I'll take the shine off, and see if it eliminates the snappy backend, which it should. I'll post results and see how it goes.
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Re: For people that have a Rayzr
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2008, 02:37:25 PM »
The thing holding me back from going to 4000 is:  I took my emerald to 4000, and it still rips.  It's just not a "dry lane" ball.  The emerald OOB was just a hockey stick out there, the 4000 tamed it to a Boomerang?   I'm looking for a rainbow .    Maybe the Razyr at 4000 is my rainbow?  what about 2000?
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Re: For people that have a Rayzr
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2008, 05:15:13 AM »
Mine is OOB 3/4 to 3/4. I think as long its legal the layout on this Ball does not matter. I roll it in the third game last Saturday in league on a fresh "Middle Road". After bad luck with my Doom 178 and 169 i rolled standing 15 aiming at 5 with around 19 mph a 266, its my highest league game on Middle Road so far. Who cares about a cores?
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Re: For people that have a Rayzr
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2008, 09:04:44 AM »
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I believe the RAZYR has the strongest reactive cover ever used on a three piece ball, and therefore should give a strong read of the dry lane once the oiltrack on the ball has been depleted.



How much stronger do you think this cover is than a Scout ?
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Re: For people that have a Rayzr
« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2008, 11:56:06 AM »
I left the coverstock on mine oob and it is drill with a rico layout.  It only had like a / pin though

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Re: For people that have a Rayzr
« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2008, 07:49:05 PM »
IMO, I think the cover is alot stronger than a Scout. This ball really moves, and can be a force to be had. More ball than any Scout I've seen. Just my .2
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