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JagBrew

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Hammer ball to use on short patterns....
« on: May 29, 2011, 11:37:20 AM »
   Well my last 3 attempts on Cheetah and Stockholm, I reallized I suck on the short patterns, or the balls I have aren't matching up well..

 

A wihile back I went to the Brunswick balls, due to my ball driller is a staffer, so figured easier to find the gap balls.

 

I gave my dad my Midnight Vibe, my other buddy my Cherry Vibe before that.    I had never bowling on the short sport shots with those,  I had both pin high over ring, due to a hold relasese that made me rev dominate,   I've snce gone more behind the ball, catching it at the bottom, bringing my track up to med-high.  Those ball,s both had fairly strong backends on the dry lanes.. but were still fairly predictable.  I know my dad has bowled 5 750's since he got my ball 4 months ago..  (kick myself everyday, I thought the damage would be a substitute, but it's over under for me...  pin over bridge...can't remmebert the exact abgles.

 

So Hammer guys what is the choice for the shorts..   Got another couple of tournaments comeing up I need to prepare for.


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Re: Hammer ball to use on short patterns....
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2011, 08:02:11 PM »
Not a Hammer guy, matter of fact, never thrown or owned one. But I will say part of  your problem is pin up pearl balls. Pin down stuff usually is the ticket on short patterns.

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Re: Hammer ball to use on short patterns....
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2011, 08:25:23 PM »
I have always been a Hammerhead but strayed away some years ago. I have come back to the HAmmer world this season however and I struggled with a similar problem. Here is my suggestion...
 
Find yourself a Backlash (the blue/silver preferably) or a new Blue Hammer.
 
Use a layout something like 60x5-1/2x70.....
 
the 60* will get the ball rolling late
the 5-1/2 will help cut the flare
the 70* will make the ball respond to the friction more slowly and will help control the lateral motion on the backend
 
If you need a weighthole use one either on the PAP or slightly below the PAP.
 
Adjust the surface as needed.
 
I used this layout on my Infection and it is just flat out awesome for our house pattern. I drilled up an Onyx Vibe with the same layout and it's great as the pattern breaks down. I have a Blue/Silver drilled 60x4x60 and it's a bit strong for the shorter PBA patterns.
 
Again, that's my suggestion.


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Re: Hammer ball to use on short patterns....
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2011, 09:06:37 PM »
Doug,
 
I agree with your ball choice but not with your drilling choice. That would work for a ball with a lot of backend like the Infection or (for light oil) the Red/Purple backlash, which have a ton of backend.  It worked for me, butttt
I woudl not recommend that for the new Blue Hammer (urethane). It already has a very mild backend. This drill might make ping 10 pins or worse yet, leave 5-7s or 8-10s all day. I'd suggest a flippier drilling as it is not likely to make such a smooth ball flippy in the least, but allow it work or carry better. I've done that with a couple of urethanes (Avalanche and Desperado) and it worked out just fine. (I used pin over ring finger and CG kicked out slightly from under the ring finger or just under the ring finger.)
 
 
Doug Sterner wrote on 5/29/2011 8:25 PM:
I have always been a Hammerhead but strayed away some years ago. I have come back to the HAmmer world this season however and I struggled with a similar problem. Here is my suggestion...
 
Find yourself a Backlash (the blue/silver preferably) or a new Blue Hammer.
 
Use a layout something like 60x5-1/2x70.....
 
the 60* will get the ball rolling late
the 5-1/2 will help cut the flare
the 70* will make the ball respond to the friction more slowly and will help control the lateral motion on the backend
 
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Re: Hammer ball to use on short patterns....
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2011, 09:31:45 PM »
Something that stops. You don't want the ball to continue. With the cheetah, there is 25 feet of dry lane, you don't want to use a weak ball that is designed to only read the dry parts of the lane. Use a low rg ball that will read the lane earlier, be smoother, and use surface to get the ball to stop in the right place. When you use too weak of a ball, it will be uncontrollable and you will throw it through the end of the pattern too easily. Keep your hand up the back to control downlane reaction and try to stay as far right as you can.




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Re: Hammer ball to use on short patterns....
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2011, 12:21:39 AM »
I'm not too familiar with Hammer, but my choice on short patterns is my Wild Card.  So equating that to the hammer line would be something mid range solid and symmetric. Maybe something from raw hammer line? The solid symmetric gives you a very predictable look. Just have to use a softer hand position, and not be afraid to throw it at the gutter if appropriate. My best look recently on cheetah was starting at 8 at the arrows to about 4 or 5 at the start of the friction, and I really had to throw it pretty hard right at that spot. It was kind of unnatural, and the ball stopped hooking and rolled out, but did so at the pocket, and was still coming in with enough angle to get the corners out.

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Re: Hammer ball to use on short patterns....
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2011, 04:22:19 AM »
I bowled on 34 ft pattern this weekend using a pin up Arson and pin down Grape Vibe...I had a good amount of success with this combination on a pattern type that I typically struggle with..Keep in mind we are not talking about similar styles of bowling (as far as we know) so these are just experiences being shared..
 
I would drill a Blue Hammer, just because on shorter patterns this is a great situational ball to have (for any pattern really)...I would also consider a ball with some surface like a Pin In Taboo or Brawl... Maybe drilled one weak, and one very strong so you can control different parts of the lanes.. 
 
 


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Re: Hammer ball to use on short patterns....
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2011, 08:08:12 AM »
Backlash and/or new Blue Hammer would be my choices, too. I would get them drilled strong, as I'm not rev-dominant.
 
 


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Re: Hammer ball to use on short patterns....
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2011, 10:44:34 AM »
Short patterns tend to have more volume in the front so going with a pearl or something weaker tends to hurt you because it is erratic. What most players on tour do is go with a stronger ball that will stop for them in the right spot. If you go weak with a ball (besides urethane) it tends to read too strong when it sees the friction. If you go with a smoother more controllable ball you tend to have more success. The smoother ball might flat 10 for you but that is a lot better than getting 5 through the middle ;). With what we have I would suggest the new Arson, Jacked if you can get a hold of it still, or the Blue Hammer. You just want a nice controlled layout on it so it reads the mids and doesn't overreact off the end of the pattern.

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Re: Hammer ball to use on short patterns....
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2011, 10:44:40 AM »
Short patterns tend to have more volume in the front so going with a pearl or something weaker tends to hurt you because it is erratic. What most players on tour do is go with a stronger ball that will stop for them in the right spot. If you go weak with a ball (besides urethane) it tends to read too strong when it sees the friction. If you go with a smoother more controllable ball you tend to have more success. The smoother ball might flat 10 for you but that is a lot better than getting 5 through the middle ;). With what we have I would suggest the new Arson, Jacked if you can get a hold of it still, or the Blue Hammer. You just want a nice controlled layout on it so it reads the mids and doesn't overreact off the end of the pattern.

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Re: Hammer ball to use on short patterns....
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2011, 05:51:33 PM »
charlest......I always respect your opinion and you may well be correct. I based my opinion on the rev-dominance and the short pattern. My experience has been that smoother balls and/ or layouts tend to carry better than the flippier layouts.
 
part of my decision is based on the lanes I see around here which are mainly wood....I would guess that synthetics would create a different set of variables altogether.


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Re: Hammer ball to use on short patterns....
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2011, 11:04:18 AM »
My thought and it's a simple one, but something solid, but polished with a high pin - low flare or pin axis drilling might work well. When I really cranked, pin-axis loved short oil patterns and I used urethane, a Sling Blade, or a black PURE hammer. On a used Cheetah (and not likely good originally laid out one at that) I used my almost stack Cherry Vibe to decent results.


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Re: Hammer ball to use on short patterns....
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2011, 12:45:49 PM »
The best would be a Razyr. If that is hard to find, i would go with the new Blue.

The Razyr is, for me anyway, the best ball for the short patterns.

Good luck, I am sure you will find the one that will work for you.

 


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Re: Hammer ball to use on short patterns....
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2011, 06:52:55 AM »
SURFACE SURFACE SURFACE on short patterns surface is the key. ive had success with all types of layouts and balls but the one constant thing is that everything is dull...2000 and duller. ive had success with a semi-axis drilled blue vibe, vapor zone with the mass bias past the val, pin down burst, and pin up freeze.
 
i am also rev dominant and most recently the center that i bowl at has HPLs with a alot of friction on them bowling on the team usa beijing pattern. i had the most success using my vapor zone drilled 35x4.5x65 at 4000ab. and the freeze 65x6x35 at 2000
 
from the hammer line i would suggest the black vibe if you can get one or one of the other vibes and dull it up. one of the hardcore balls might work as well


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Re: Hammer ball to use on short patterns....
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2011, 09:51:14 AM »
I've had success on Cheetah and the Kegel Broadway patterns with a weak drilled Onyx Vibe (2000+polish) and a BW Sting (4000+polish).  Oddly enough, a Blue Vibe at box finish gets too jumpy (which is why I used the Onyx at 2000+polish).
 
When I want the ball to hook and stop, a weak drilled Acid works well.  It reads the thick oil up front well and stops toward the end of the pattern.  Shot a 288 on Cheetah this way. 
 
Whatever you can use that won't jump off the friction but will still hold when you tug it is ideal. I'd think the Cherry Vibe would be awesome, so sorry about that :)


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