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Ratt_bowling

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Hammer Bowling Balls diagram for easier understanding
« on: June 25, 2014, 02:27:55 PM »
First, it's a bit of a laugh to say this diagram makes things easier to understand, but I have a hard time understanding how each ball Hammer makes fits into a segment.  So, I made a diagram to help me slot each ball for it's intended use.  I tried to put each ball into 1. Intended Oil as described on Hammer's website 2. Coverstock type 3. Date of release.  I did this somewhat quickly and am no scholar on bowling ball release dates so there are likely several mistakes made.  I thought I would share what I have so far.

My hope is that Hammer marketing will make choosing a ball a little easier for us some day. 


 

SVstar34

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Re: Hammer Bowling Balls diagram for easier understanding
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2014, 03:27:58 PM »
A diagram can be a good thing, however, I feel like it is a little flawed. The Absolut Curve is in no way a heavy oil ball, nor do I feel like there is a ball that is truly a "Heavy oil" category ball.

Medium-Heavy: Cold Blood, First Blood, Absolut Hook, Deadly Aim, BW Assassin, BW Legend, AMP, Arson, Rachet, Purple Taboo

Medium: Absolut Curve, Absolut Flip, AMP UP, Spike, Arson Hybrid, Jet Black Taboo

Medium-Light: Arson Pearl, Arson Low-Flare, Spike Blue/Black, Wrench, Chalk, Nails, Vibes

Light: Blue Hammer, Polyester covers.

Upon looking at everything you can see they have too many damn balls that aren't retired yet. Me personally, I think they should condense and makes things easier on the public.

Med-Heavy: Gas Mask (Widow/Taboo Series) and/or Aims
Med: Absolut or Arson series pick 1
Med-Light: Nasty core (Spike series) and/or Vibes/Vibe Replacement
Light: Urethane/Polyester
« Last Edit: June 25, 2014, 03:31:22 PM by SVstar34 »

kidlost2000

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Re: Hammer Bowling Balls diagram for easier understanding
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2014, 04:05:00 PM »
You can also eliminate pearl, solid, or hybrid from there. It means nothing. Surface is what means something.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

Ratt_bowling

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Re: Hammer Bowling Balls diagram for easier understanding
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2014, 07:43:31 PM »
You can also eliminate pearl, solid, or hybrid from there. It means nothing. Surface is what means something.

I would like to plead my ignorance/gullibility here.  Why do they market solid, hybrid, and pearl if it is only the surface that matters.  As far as I can tell, the only difference between the BW Assasin and BW Legend is solid coverstock vs Hybrid coverstock, so maybe use those two for your explanation.


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Re: Hammer Bowling Balls diagram for easier understanding
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2014, 08:02:52 PM »
You can also eliminate pearl, solid, or hybrid from there. It means nothing. Surface is what means something.

I would like to plead my ignorance/gullibility here.  Why do they market solid, hybrid, and pearl if it is only the surface that matters.  As far as I can tell, the only difference between the BW Assasin and BW Legend is solid coverstock vs Hybrid coverstock, so maybe use those two for your explanation.


You can also eliminate pearl, solid, or hybrid from there. It means nothing. Surface is what means something.

This is an excellent question as mentioned above if you put the same surface on both balls are you saying they would play the same?

kidlost2000

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Re: Hammer Bowling Balls diagram for easier understanding
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2014, 09:13:05 PM »
I am saying there would not be a noticeable difference. 99% of the time Pearls are shinned up. Solids are polished or typically have some surface, and hybrids are usually shinned up as well.

Marketing for sales.

When you adjust surface to the same. Like going 500 on both, then 1000, 2000 and try them side by side on the same layout you will be surprised at what you see.

Just an example. DV8 Reckless was a pearl ball that was a big hooking ball in the line. The Too Reckless was a solid version that followed and was the skid snap version of the original. Using a solid coverstock and higher polish finish then the earlier bigger hooking pearl version.

So we have a pearl coverstock as the bigger earlier hooking ball. Followed by a heavier polished solid coverstock to be a less hooking ball that goes long and snaps. Does this sound opposite of what you hear 99% of the time from manufactures? It was very accurate on the balls reaction because I did own both.

It is the surface not the alleged solid, pearl, hybrid name that dictates the balls reaction.

Hybrid to me is just hilarious. If that doesn't scream marketing, nothing does. The solid is 5 boards stronger then the pearl, and the hybrid fits the 2.5 boards difference between the two.....really?

It is fun to read sometimes. Take any ball and start adjusting surfaces to see how different of a reaction you can get, and how versatile it can really be. Do not let solid, pearl or hybrid limit you.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

amyers2002

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Re: Hammer Bowling Balls diagram for easier understanding
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2014, 10:35:08 PM »
Kid,

I always knew you could sand a pearl and polish a hybrid or solid but I really didn't think you would get the same performance just by changing the surface. Marketing at its best I guess.

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Re: Hammer Bowling Balls diagram for easier understanding
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2014, 10:15:07 AM »
on the house shots i would say this is true. on sport and tournament patterns you will see the differences.

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Re: Hammer Bowling Balls diagram for easier understanding
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2014, 12:09:31 PM »
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kidlost2000

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Re: Hammer Bowling Balls diagram for easier understanding
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2014, 03:01:26 PM »
I would gladly take two of the same ball, pearl and solid version and adjust the surface to compare on any shot ths or sport to see the lack of difference.

Dont let the swirling colors fool you.

…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

Ratt_bowling

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Re: Hammer Bowling Balls diagram for easier understanding
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2014, 04:14:27 PM »
I would gladly take two of the same ball, pearl and solid version and adjust the surface to compare on any shot ths or sport to see the lack of difference.

Dont let the swirling colors fool you.

I would be interested to see video of this!

kidlost2000

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Re: Hammer Bowling Balls diagram for easier understanding
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2014, 04:24:30 PM »
Me too.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

amyers2002

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Re: Hammer Bowling Balls diagram for easier understanding
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2014, 05:48:06 PM »
I would love to see that

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Re: Hammer Bowling Balls diagram for easier understanding
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2014, 09:44:25 PM »
Then hopefully someone with this option (who has the balls already and aren't afraid to adjust them) should do it and post a video to satisfy y'all. I'm not as interested as the majority but I would watch it as a way to gain more knowledge.
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kidlost2000

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Re: Hammer Bowling Balls diagram for easier understanding
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2014, 12:54:16 PM »
After doing some looking I can do the project for $140.

That would allow me to buy two Brunswick Karmas. The Blue/Green Pearl, and the Blue/Black solid. Both have 3-4" pins and 2.3 to 2.5 top weight.

From there both balls would be drilled identically. Both balls would then be resurfaced to 500/1000/2000 and taken to the lanes for side by side on lane comparisons out the gate on video.

It is as accurate as I can do it without a throw bot. Anyone want to put money towards it I can start a quick collection. Hand full of people at $10-20 would be all it takes.

I looked into the online funding sites but they do not accept paypal, they want you to use "their" money sites for their fees.


And an update, I can using paypal.

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« Last Edit: June 28, 2014, 01:03:11 PM by kidlost2000 »
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.