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robs247

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Hammer Burgundy new release.
« on: October 28, 2014, 05:49:21 PM »
Hammer are re-releasing the burgundy hammer.

I don't usually throw hammer equipment but i'm seriously tempted to add this to the bag.  Loved the old one so i'm hoping that i'll love this one again.


http://guernseyproshop.co.uk/burgundy-hammer
« Last Edit: October 29, 2014, 05:27:00 AM by robs247 »
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Re: Hammer Burgundy new release.
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2014, 06:52:46 PM »
I would guess medium strength. That's what I gathered from hammers site about it. They said something like "a reactive ball designed to roll on today's conditions like the burgundy did in it's day."
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« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2014, 10:50:54 PM »
I think if the goal is to have the ball simulate the ball from back in the day then it will still attract people based on nostalgia. It's not feasible to expect a urethane ball to react now how they reacted in the past.
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Matt Fortney

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Re: Hammer Burgundy new release.
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2014, 11:04:08 PM »
Quote from: EL3MCNEIL on October 29, 2014, 10:50:54 PM
I think if the goal is to have the ball simulate the ball from back in the day then it will still attract people based on nostalgia. It's not feasible to expect a urethane ball to react now how they reacted in the past.

I agree with you 100%. I wasn't being negative in any way, just making sure people had the right information.
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« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2014, 11:20:34 AM »
I see what Hammer is trying to do with this one, but I'm dubious. In some ways, this reminds me of the Pure Hammer balls they put out some years back. Those were supposed to be mild reactive balls that gave the smooth consistency of urethane. Some people matched up nicely with them, but I wasn't one of them. For me, they were much, much stronger and flippier than any urethane piece I've ever bagged. From the looks of this video, I think this ball looks that way too. This isn't to say this will be a bad ball or provide a bad reaction; I just fear that it's still going to be way too strong. The video would've done more for me if they would've thrown some of Hammer's medium reactive balls from the same lines on that pattern to see the differences in the reaction. Just comparing it to the Blue Hammer remake didn't do much for me. I guess we'll see.
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Re: Hammer Burgundy new release.
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2014, 12:21:27 AM »
I wonder if the Hammer Burgundy can be a viable choice to use on heavy oil conditions for a cheaper price? If so, I advertise the ball as such because the balls out there for heavier conditions are usually on the High Performance side and are on the higher side of the price range.
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Re: Hammer Burgundy new release.
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2014, 12:09:03 PM »
I still have my original Fab Blue Hammer and Fab Burgundy Hammer that I bought back in 1994-1995 (somewhere in there). When they were used on mostly wood surfaces, the Blue Hammer was my heavy oil ball and the Burgundy Hammer was for medium oil (or what we used to say holding conditions).

The Blue Hammer started up sooner than the Burgundy Hammer and carried better; the Burgundy Hammer had a tendency to leave a lot of 10 pins no matter what angle I played. Funny thing when reactive resin balls came out, I could use a pearl reactive (my Track Sensor II that I still have and use) on the fresh and have better back-end reaction and carry than my Blue Hammer. Go figure. Again, that was back in the day on wood lanes.

Fast forward 20 years, I still have use for my Blue Hammer on sport shot patterns up to 40 feet with some kind of a crown and on most house shots up to about 42 feet. My Burgundy Hammer is now used mostly as a spare ball, although I have used it when the heads are gone on short sport shot patterns or when house shots are absolutely jacked up.

It is my understanding the new Blue Hammer piqued many out of nostalgia when it was reintroduced by EBI, but it was a big miss. The numbers on the new Burgundy Hammer (2.57/.028; 16 pounds) are proportionately similar to what the old Burgundy Hammer numbers were (2.52/.020).

I get it about the notion of introducing something that is relevant to the current era of bowling. It still sounds like I'll just be sticking with the original and hope that nobody's machines in back gouge them.
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Re: Hammer Burgundy new release.
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2014, 12:12:18 PM »
There's no pancake in the original Burgundy. It's the same weight block that they used for almost every Fab Hammer they ever had.
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« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2014, 12:16:00 PM »
Thanks for the correction on the weight block, and I've modified my previous post to reflect that. The numbers, however, are accurate, per a Facebook IM session that I had with Bill Hall (the Blend 10 guy) who designed the original Blue Hammer.

The original Blue Hammer's numbers were 2.51/.020.
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Re: Hammer Burgundy new release.
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2014, 11:25:29 AM »
Well gang... I drilled up the Burgundy Hammer last night with similar numbers to my Viral - 65 x 5 x 35 and was a little skeptical about this release with how the Pure Hammer balls rolled in the past...

All I can saw is WOW - very impressed with this ball. This ball really blends out patterns that I was bowling on (37' Broadway & burnt House Shot 41').

I brought a few other balls out while testing with this ball to see the difference - Jet Black Vibe with 2000 (pin down with a 70 x 4 3/4 x 60), Blue Hammer (w/ Vibe core @ 500 Abralon), Bad Ass, and the new Viral - all similar #'s as the Burgundy. Using my trusty JB Vibe on the shorter patterns really allows me to play several angles, but tends to be a little jumpy if the oustides are a little too wet/dry... Used the Burgundy for 2 games & was able to really relax and get the ball outside without the over/under reaction... really opened up the lane where others had too much over/under...

After league, I bowled on the House Shot (41') which had 3 games of play, I wanted to see what this ball will do when playing inside & carry too... It was funny to see this ball just get down the lane with ease and turn the corner with a smooth controllable motion... left a 4 pin, moved 4 left and threw the next 25 in a row... the funny thing is that I kept moving 2-3 left after 3 shots to see how far left I can go with this ball until it stops striking... After 25 in a row (moved a total of 15 boards - playing 32 - 8), I finally left a 10 pin. A few of my friends were laughing at how much area I had with this ball...  I think this ball will definitely be going into my tournament arsenal. It is weaker than the Bad Ass for sure, but is really a great medium / medium light lane ball that will blend out the backends & provide you with a smooth continuation in the backends. Using the Blue Hammer with the same surface prep of 500 grit, the Burgundy definitely comes back harder in the backends & is about 8-10 boards stronger overall - way different motion than between the 2 balls. The Burgundy coverstock is really that much different from what I saw last night.   

Sorry for the long read, but I am very impressed with this new release from Hammer - Release Date is Nov. 18th. 
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Re: Hammer Burgundy new release.
« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2014, 01:36:22 PM »
Wow nice. How much of a difference was there between this ball and viral at box finish. Im really thinking about getting both for my other winter league that starts up in January.
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« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2014, 03:32:05 PM »
I was about 5 boards deeper with the Burgundy, but the Viral was a lot stronger in the backends (flippy)... so they compliment each other really well
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Re: Hammer Burgundy new release.
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2014, 03:43:17 PM »
Just as an aside, some of you may not realize that all resin balls are resin/urethane hybrids.  They all start as urethane.  The resin balls have a resin additive to the urethane. 

What Hammer has going for it right now is the fact that they make some great cores ( Vibe and Gas Mask in particular ).  In addition they are not always trying to match the biggest hook monster shell with those cores.  There is plenty of friction available on the lane without the need for super strong shells.  Don't need them on a house shot, and often cant use them on tournament patterns. 
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Re: Hammer Burgundy new release.
« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2014, 08:56:39 AM »
Thought I would let everybody know if they want to try one of these Bowlersmart Black Friday Sale 69.99.Got mine ordered.
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Re: Hammer Burgundy new release.
« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2014, 11:54:32 AM »
Bummer On Bowlersmart Black Friday Sale!  It did not last into Black Friday just UP to Black Friday.  Price jumped at midnight $10! 

Still a great price of $79.95.  Just different than how I think of a Black Friday Sale!  You?

Regards,

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Re: Hammer Burgundy new release.
« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2014, 02:49:19 PM »
Quote from: LuckyLefty on November 28, 2014, 11:54:32 AM
Bummer On Bowlersmart Black Friday Sale!  It did not last into Black Friday just UP to Black Friday.  Price jumped at midnight $10! 

Still a great price of $79.95.  Just different than how I think of a Black Friday Sale!  You?

Regards,

Luckylefty

Yea, makes zero sense to "raise" the price for BF
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