Author Topic: Vicious Attack.....not that strong (Read 2336 times)

agroves · « **on:** December 14, 2003, 02:04:12 AM »

I recently purchased a VA from tenpin. It is drilled about 4 x 2 for me, with just alittle positive side weight. It doesn't flip as hard as I thought it would. I will see on Tuesday, the heads are oiler and backends more crisp than my Friday league. I shot 688 with it and I like the ball. It just wasn't what I expected it to be, I really expected a strong resin ball. I left the surface at 600 sanded. I am thinking about a light coat of polish to see if it will come off the dry harder. My werewolfs and DZ are hooking just as much as the VA.

Overall, I am impressed, it carried and hit well.

Andrew
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BadShot · « **Reply #1 on:** December 14, 2003, 05:08:04 PM »

i personally believe that 600 grit is too rough unless the oil is heavy. as a better than medium rev player, i tend to get the best result from my particle balls with 1000 grit sanded. obviously, gets through the heads better, saving more energy for the turn to the pocket. also works pretty good with carrydown.

before you go all the way to polish, try some higher grit polish. good luck!
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charlest · « **Reply #2 on:** December 14, 2003, 06:31:04 PM »

Andrew ,

Does any ball "flip" with a 4x2 drilling?
Unless you're using a ball on far too much oil, I'd be surprised that such a ball can flip.

WHy go with such a strong drilling on such a presumably strong ball?
Are you encountering a LOT of oil?

Could it be that there is not enough oil for this ball with this drilling?
(I don't know; only guessing.)

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agroves · « **Reply #3 on:** December 15, 2003, 04:12:38 AM »

Charlest-The ball does flip off the dry but not as hard as I thought it would. The drill pattern was my mistake, I got it mixed up with another ball. I had an Apex Intensity drilled similar to this 4 x 5 (which is what the VA is, not 4 x 2 as I put earlier) and it did flip off the dry. However, we are talking to really different balls here. Also, if you ck out hammers drill instructions this drill is high rg and med oil layout.

http://www.hammerbowling.com/techcenter/drillinstructions_vicious.php

Yes, 600 is alittle rough but I wanted to see what it would do. I used it on a fresh med oil shot, that I normally use my HPD sanded to 1000 grit. I was playing deeper with this after the second game so maybe it is stronger than I thought.

Why did I put a strong drill on this ball, ck the link above maybe it isn't that strong. It wasn't legal b/c it had an 1 1/2+ of neg side weight. I plugged the weight hole which gave it just a touch of pos side weight. I haven't throw it on a fresh shot since I plugged the weight hole but it does react harder off the dry.

I believe there is enough oil for this ball. I like it as is, but I am going to polish it to Ebonites 900 grit.

Andrew
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charlest · « **Reply #4 on:** December 15, 2003, 06:17:07 AM »

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Charlest-The ball does flip off the dry but not as hard as I thought it would. The drill pattern was my mistake, I got it mixed up with another ball. I had an Apex Intensity drilled similar to this 4 x 5 (which is what the VA is, not 4 x 2 as I put earlier) and it did flip off the dry. However, we are talking to really different balls here. Also, if you ck out hammers drill instructions this drill is high rg and med oil layout.

http://www.hammerbowling.com/techcenter/drillinstructions_vicious.php

OK, 4x5 is an entirely different thing; it is more of a control drilling than the 4x2 which can be very early roll type of drilling.

Hammer is calling drilling very different "animals"/"creatures" than any other company, even its parent, Ebonite. I just got a Turbo DIesel to experiment with BUT its drilling sheet confused the heck out of me. I have neve rseen comments like they make before.

A 4" pin has never, ever been called a high RG drilling by anyone. 4" is only 3/4" from leverage, 3.375", after all; medium is the best term I can see, and, then, within the range inherent in its core.

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Yes, 600 is a little rough but I wanted to see what it would do. I used it on a fresh med oil shot, that I normally use my HPD sanded to 1000 grit. I was playing deeper with this after the second game so maybe it is stronger than I thought.

HPD is light particle with a much higher RG than the VA. If it's at 1000 grit, then leaving the VA at 1000 grit should get a stronger reaction in oil than the HPD. "SHOULD" is the operative word.

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Why did I put a strong drill on this ball, ck the link above maybe it isn't that strong. It wasn't legal b/c it had an 1 1/2+ of neg side weight. I plugged the weight hole which gave it just a touch of pos side weight. I haven't throw it on a fresh shot since I plugged the weight hole but it does react harder off the dry.

To my mind & experience, a 4x5 is nowhere near as strong as a 4x2. I think that, given the VA's published strength, 4x5 should have been a good drilling, if you have some hand, and I think you have more than enough hand. I drill a lot of my balls with 4x5, mostly because my revs are like yours but my speed is slightly slower.

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I believe there is enough oil for this ball. I like it as is, but I am going to polish it to Ebonites 900 grit.

Andrew
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Good luck. I think this ball should work. The right surface is very important. I have polished several balls which I thought should work properly in the dull/matte finish that they came with. I had to polish them to get a good reaction, even in some oil. Who knows why?
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agroves · « **Reply #5 on:** December 15, 2003, 02:33:17 PM »

yeah, I got alittle confused. I have drilled so many bowling balls the past two weeks including my VA and a friends. For some reason my friends drill stuck in my head.

I know the 4 x 5 isn't even close to as early roll as a 4 x 2. Did you see in Hammers instructions that a ball like the VA with a low mb will be only slightly affected by a positive label shift?? I found that weird. I understand that a 4 x 2 would be earlier but not according to hammer as long as the pin is still 4" from the pap. Weird...........

I know what you mean about the cover. I have 3 or 4 werewolfs that I hate dull but it is my go to ball as long as it is polished.

Thanks for the info charlest...

Andrew
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charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** December 15, 2003, 09:15:39 PM »

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I know the 4 x 5 isn't even close to as early roll as a 4 x 2. Did you see in Hammers instructions that a ball like the VA with a low mb will be only slightly affected by a positive label shift?? I found that weird. I understand that a 4 x 2 would be earlier but not according to hammer as long as the pin is still 4" from the pap. Weird...........

That is exactly what I was talking about. Even EBonite does not go "that way" and that is not what I have seen or experienced. That is what made me very leery about drilling my Turbo Diesel (other than I have too many balls already ..).

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I know what you mean about the cover. I have 3 or 4 werewolfs that I hate dull but it is my go to ball as long as it is polished.

you're among a very small minority; not many people liked or were able to appreciate that ball.

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Thanks for the info charlest...

Andrew
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no thanks needed; we both are bettered by such discussions.

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agroves · « **Reply #7 on:** December 15, 2003, 11:28:29 PM »

Well, I will post back tomorrow night with how the ball reacts on my Tuesday league. I am going to sand it up to 1000 grit and then a light coat of polish.

Charlest--I have only seen one other person in the last four years throw the werewolf. I love mine (3 or 4 that I have) and I am giving one to Phatdon tomorrow in trade for an Igniter. I looked up the specs on the HPD and VA:

HPD--2.597----.045--symmeterical--light load particle
VA---2.51-----.043--Asymmeterical-aggressive reactive

So, I don't think the numbers are that much difference. It would lead most to believe the HPD would be stronger in oil but the VA would be better off the dry boards.

Andrew
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agroves · « **Reply #8 on:** December 16, 2003, 11:14:53 PM »

Well, I am still disappointed about the weakness of this ball. It was the weakest ball I took with me tonight. I took a HPD, werewolf and the VA. So, I am going to test hammers drill instruction that swinging the mass bias will have very little effect on the overall hook of the ball. I will post back after I plug and redrill it.

andrew
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