I threw one last night for a game and the thing is an absolute beast. Has a lot more length than I thought it would have but, pretty much recovers from just about anywhere. It is stronger than the Scandal by about 3 boards. Other guy on the pair was throwing it also but only for game 1 as he is an up the 10 kind of guy and could not keep it from crossing over no matter how hard he threw it. I was playing 20 out to 10 on our THS from the beginning of the night. My normal shot with a pin down Mako is about 17 to 10.