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Title: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: FastTracker33 on February 27, 2006, 05:55:39 AM: I was thinking about buying a new ball i was already reading reviews and everything but i would like a better opinion. I was thinking of either buying a Hammer Saw Blade or Elite R47. I am right handed, bowl on synthetic lanes and throw the ball between the 1st and 2nd arrow, and not a cranker. Which ball would work out better i need a new ball so bad at the place where i bowl they now add a lot of extra oil. They used to only have light to medium so my Track Solution and Hammer Switch had a hard backend but now they go straight. I need a ball that hooks in heavy oil.
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: Cranking_Inferno on February 27, 2006, 02:10:14 PM: Here are the best balls for you

Road Hawg... by hammer
Action... by Columbia
Scorching inferno... by Brunswick

Elite is weak.. don't go there.

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Arsenal:

EPX-T1 - Heavy oil
Action - Heavy to Medium oil
Action Packed - Medium oil (Coming soon)
Original Inferno - Medium oil
Smoking Inferno - Medium to Dry
Blue Dot - Spare ball
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: FastTracker33 on February 27, 2006, 02:18:22 PM: i don't like the hook on the scorching inferno much or the action but my brother has the road hawg and he bowls at the same place as me but the ball doesn't hook
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: FastTracker33 on February 27, 2006, 02:18:45 PM: I like the R47 how is it JKBOWL
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: azguy on February 27, 2006, 02:20:21 PM: The Doom wouold also work if you took a cover adjustment, ask chitown, he's changed the cover on a couple and says he goes forever, with what he has done.

Hawg Wild would be a good one as well as an Ebonite XXcel , V2 Power or V2 Sanded, JMO
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AZ Guy aka: R & L Bowlers Pro
rlbowlerspro@cox.net
www.rlbowlerspro.com

Sleep is over rated.
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: FastTracker33 on February 27, 2006, 02:22:02 PM: i liked what CHITOWN had to say about the doom
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: Long Roller on February 27, 2006, 02:25:35 PM: As much as I LOVE the Doom, it's not the ball you want if your looking for primarily a heavy oil ball. Surface adjusments only go so far and IF you're on a flood, it's not the right ball. If you're looking for Hammer I would go with the Hawg Wild. It reads sooner and will be a better choice. Stay away from Elite. They are expensive reruns of older balls.
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Shane Soule
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: FastTracker33 on February 27, 2006, 02:28:10 PM: I'm actually looking for a ball to hook on medium to heavy oil and i can get an R47 for only 144$
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: Long Roller on February 27, 2006, 02:30:10 PM: Is the R47 used or new? What are the specs? Make sure you know that the specs are good before you buy.
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Shane Soule
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: FastTracker33 on February 27, 2006, 02:30:32 PM: do you throw about where i do (between 1st and 2nd arrow?
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: FastTracker33 on February 27, 2006, 02:31:06 PM: the R47 is brand new
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: Long Roller on February 27, 2006, 02:32:02 PM: Do you know the specs on the R47. It makes a big difference if you are getting a 2nd or blemish ball.
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Shane Soule
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: JPRLane1 on February 27, 2006, 02:33:18 PM: Save your money and get a nemesis if your heart is stuck on the elite r47, at best its PK18 and the core numbers are similiar and the nemesis is a very good ball. The R47 is not an oiler by any means. Elites are garbage old recycled core and covers from brunswick found much cheaper in their brunswick counterparts. If your brothers road hawg isn't hooking then the surface should be taken down it is 4000 out of box, and is still stronger than a r47 or some of the other balls listed.

ALso when I say garbage i dont mean they are bad but they are garbage because they are a rip off just a little clarification.
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Edited on 2/27/2006 3:24 PM
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: FastTracker33 on February 27, 2006, 02:33:27 PM: like these
RG MAX:2.563

RG MIN:2.516

RG DIFF:0.047
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: Long Roller on February 27, 2006, 02:34:34 PM: No, the Top Weight and Pin Distance. Should say on the box. Every ball is different. I would ask and check on these.
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Shane Soule
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: FastTracker33 on February 27, 2006, 02:36:22 PM: I'll email the person
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: FastTracker33 on February 27, 2006, 02:50:44 PM: so is this ball isn't a blemish then should i get it?
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: Long Roller on February 27, 2006, 02:56:21 PM: That is a good price for an elite ball. I still think you can get a better ball in the hawg wild for 30 dollars or so cheaper.
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Shane Soule
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: chitown on February 27, 2006, 04:29:01 PM: The best covers for true heavy oil are particle. They just grab so much better. However if your looking for a ball for med to heavy the Doom could be your answer. Just dull it to 600 grit like I did with one of mine. Next drill it strong to handle the heavier oil.

Read my mini review about the dull Doom. My Dooms are not drilled very strong. Both are drilled the same and have the pins 5.5" from my pap. My Dooms would be even stronger if I drilled them stacked leverage. My point is the Doom can handle heavier oil great when dulled.

I know a lot of people feel pearlized balls shouldn't be dulled down. I disagree completely. You may be surprised at what you find when this is done. I have found that the Doom cover when dulled can handle a lot more oil then it does with the pearlized shiny cover. It's a completely different ball when it comes to oil handling capability. It also changed the reaction a little bit. It went form a skid flip reaction to more of a strong arc.

I will post more reviews on it in a couple of weeks when I use it on our heavy oil pattern.

Edited on 2/27/2006 5:18 PM
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: FastTracker33 on February 27, 2006, 05:12:54 PM: the specs on the ball are
2.7 top 3-4 pin
3.3 top 3-4 pin

Which one would be better for the type of bowler i am?
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: chitown on February 27, 2006, 05:44:59 PM: quote:
the specs on the ball are
2.7 top 3-4 pin
3.3 top 3-4 pin

Which one would be better for the type of bowler i am?

I would go with the higher top weight.
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: FastTracker33 on February 27, 2006, 05:56:15 PM: Could i have everybodys opinion please for me to get either

1.Elite R47
2.Hammer Saw Blade
3.Hammer Doom

or anything else good that hooks on med/high oil that fits my bowling style i said earlier
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: chitown on February 27, 2006, 06:17:42 PM: quote:
Could i have everybodys opinion please for me to get either

1.Elite R47
2.Hammer Saw Blade
3.Hammer Doom

or anything else good that hooks on med/high oil that fits my bowling style i said earlier

Hammer Doom gets my vote. If your going to use it on heavier oil then dull it down to like 600 grit and drill it strong.

Edited on 2/27/2006 7:07 PM
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: azguy on February 27, 2006, 06:19:00 PM: Hawg Wild
XXcel
Saw Blade
Doom ( cover adjusted)
Road Hawg
OverTime
V2 Power
V2 Sanded

JMO
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www.rlbowlerspro.com

Sleep is over rated.
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: Long Roller on February 27, 2006, 06:19:05 PM: I guess I could never vote AGAINST the Doom. It is just that good.
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Shane Soule
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: FastTracker33 on February 27, 2006, 06:32:48 PM: anybody else? I want as many good balls to choose from to make the best decision
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: FastTracker33 on February 27, 2006, 08:20:44 PM: actually yeah CHITOWN why would you go for a higher top weight?

Updated list of balls to get...

1. Elite R47
2. Hammer Doom
3. Track Delta Rule 1
4. Hammer Saw Blade
or any other opinions

I was also wondering if anyone that has the Elite R47, how does it hook on light or dry oil conditions
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: chitown on February 27, 2006, 10:21:24 PM: There are tow sides to this story. I'm from the side that feels static weights are important when it comes to ball drive. How they hit. I feel this way from the balls I have had. The higher top weight balls I have had seem to hit better than the lower top weight balls. Who knows maybe i'm crazy and maybe i'm not.

Go with what you feel is right for you.

Hey there are a lot of opinions when it comes to bowling balls. Just like people telling me to not dull a pearlized ball because it wont react good. That is BS in my opinion and I will go by what I have seen with my own eyes.

I like higher top weights. In fact I don't buy any balls that have a top weight lower than 2 3/4 oz. That is my minimum limit for myself.

Edited on 2/27/2006 11:11 PM
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: doggie on February 27, 2006, 10:31:10 PM: someone is selling an arsenal artillery nib for 120 shipped
i believe that is for heavy oil and not a bad price

doggie
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: John D Davis on February 27, 2006, 10:35:51 PM: Hey there, I currently own all elite balls and they're all very amazing to me...I however aint gonna recommend an R47 if you are needing an oily lane ball... Then again I wont recommend an Saw Blade or a Doom... I havnt got to see but only a couple saw blades in action but I do know there many balls on the market better suited for oil.
The R47 goes long and snaps very hard but I say this because if you have alot of oil this ball might indeed go to long before hooking verses a ball like maybe the road hawg or the Big one... I have got to see many Big ones on the regional tour lately and let me tel you they are some awsome rolling balls!!!

If you dont like either of the two then maybe go with the R43 because it is maybe more versatile than the R47 r even possibly the P43... If you are paying that much money then shop around and just go a few more dollars and buy a high performance ballsuch as the road hog, hawg wild...and so on many many strong balls are out there waiting for you!
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: Cranking_Inferno on February 28, 2006, 01:31:04 AM: Road Hawg hooks a ton... just drill it strong.
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Arsenal:

EPX-T1 - Heavy oil
Action - Heavy to Medium oil
Action Packed - Medium oil (Coming soon)
Original Inferno - Medium oil
Smoking Inferno - Medium to Dry
Blue Dot - Spare ball
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: FastTracker33 on February 28, 2006, 01:35:38 PM: I was looking at the Road Hawg as well but it doesn't hook much for my brother but i think it's because 1 He didn't get it drilled right to make it hook good 2 He just doesn't bowl like me at all. So i don't know i'll look more into the Road Hawg

John D Davis how does the R47 hook on light,dry,or medium oil? Because my house sometimes has heavy oil not all the time but a lot of times it has either light,dry,or medium oil

Edited on 2/28/2006 2:43 PM
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: FastTracker33 on March 01, 2006, 02:24:34 PM: right now it's only really between

Ebonite The One
Hammer Doom
Hammer Saw Blade
Track Machine
Elite R47
Ebonite The Big One

I would like to make a choice tonight so if everyone could give me an opinion that would be good. It's pretty much really between Doom and The One
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BRIAN

Edited on 3/3/2006 3:48 PM
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: FastTracker33 on March 06, 2006, 02:05:45 PM: Well i finally decided that i'm getting The One. I will be ordering this ball Wednesday. After looking at all other balls i never decided to look at The One and when i finally did i realized it was good for my style.
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BRIAN
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: chitown on March 06, 2006, 04:13:46 PM: quote:
Well i finally decided that i'm getting The One. I will be ordering this ball Wednesday. After looking at all other balls i never decided to look at The One and when i finally did i realized it was good for my style.
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BRIAN

I hope you like it bud. The ONE is supposed to be a great ball. There are a lot of bowlers very happy with it. Ebonite and Hammer are making some great equipment.
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: FastTracker33 on March 07, 2006, 03:27:13 PM: i was wondering what top weight i should get on The One, but i know im already getting a 3 inch pin i want the most hook possible.help
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BRIAN
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: FastTracker33 on March 07, 2006, 03:27:34 PM: i was wondering what top weight i should get on The One, but i know im already getting a 3 inch pin i want the most hook possible.help
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BRIAN
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: chitown on March 07, 2006, 03:28:45 PM: quote:
i was wondering what top weight i should get on The One, but i know im already getting a 3 inch pin i want the most hook possible.help
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BRIAN

The most hook possible will come from the drill layout. Just get it drilled with the pin in a strong position.
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: FastTracker33 on March 07, 2006, 03:32:47 PM: well i was ordering it online and i need to tell him the pin and top weight im already telling him i need a 3 inch pin what should the top weight be?
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BRIAN
Title: Re: Hammer or Elite?
Post by: chitown on March 07, 2006, 03:57:02 PM: quote:
well i was ordering it online and i need to tell him the pin and top weight im already telling him i need a 3 inch pin what should the top weight be?
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BRIAN

Tell them you want between 3 to 4 oz of top. That should be good.