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six pack

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Hammer Pain Thought
« on: November 09, 2008, 04:34:37 AM »
I have a pain I'm not using and I had a thought about a new layout on it.I'm considering a 1-1/2" pin to pap and cg in the mid and then polishing the crap out of it.
I've been having problems matching up on a med.flat long pattern with clean backends that break down real fast.I start off with a TF pearl drilled 5" pin to pap above fingers and when the pattern dries up I have nothing that works well to switch.
every thing I currently use is either real skid/snap or rolls out and the move in deep gives to much angle to carry well so the best option is up the track where the low rev guys are loving it.
I'm going to try some urethane but I don't feel the lanes are not dry enough.
I ve never tried this layout before but I want a high polished resin that will not jump on the backends.
any thoughts?
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Gene J Kanak

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Re: Hammer Pain Thought
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2008, 12:41:40 PM »
I can tell you this. I've had my Pain for nearly two years, and it only has around 15 games on it. I don't like the way mine performs on house shots at all, but it's one of the first balls I pull out of the bag at regionals and on any tougher patterns. I would place a stable drilling on it, tweak the cover to suit what you think your needs are, and give it a shot. For me, the Pain is the closest thing the Hammer line has to a V2 sanded. It's very good for reading tougher patterns.
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SVstar34

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Re: Hammer Pain Thought
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2008, 03:17:25 PM »
I completely agree with Gene... My Pain gets the least use for me, on tougher conditions where the lanes are tighter it is my first ball out.

Six Pack, your idea of changing the layout and playing up the track might be your best option
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Re: Hammer Pain Thought
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2008, 06:52:54 PM »
Six Pack, the only way to know if it really works is to just do it!  

I seen a guy drill his Pain the exact way your talking about doing.  His was only good for playing direct lines.  You can't swing the ball with that layout.  Well you can but the results will probably not be very good.  However, you mentioned that it's for playing direct so I say go for it!

I owned many Raw Hammer Pains.   I drilled one of them up with the pin at 3 3/8" and the kicked the CG out to 25 degrees and placed the balance hole 5" straight across on my midline.    This ball got into it's roll really early and was very controllable.  So that's another option to think about.
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six pack

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Re: Hammer Pain Thought
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2008, 07:49:24 PM »
yeah,not looking to swing the ball much.I have high revs and looking to control the backends but not have roll out.everything I've tried with high polish has been real snappy and uncontrollable for me and covers with a compound finish or 4000 finish has burned up or rolled out.I can change speed and lines very well but when it comes to backing off the revs I lose my game.
it seems like the general census is to try it so I'll drop it off at the shop and post my results after this Thursday.
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six pack

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Re: Hammer Pain Thought
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2008, 10:46:21 PM »
well here's my update:
raw hammer pain drilled pin 1 1/2" from pap cg in the mid plane,high polish.
This is not a dry lane ball for me.the ball revved up very fast and had a big booming backend.controll was good but I felt the polish was a bit much as it would hook very hard off the dry and in the oil it didn't have enough to carry consistantly.on the fresh I stood about 18 with target at ten out to 8 and by the third I was about 27-17-10.farther out in the dry would cross over and more inside would leave a ten or close to a wash.I still had a very tight 3"-4" of track flare on the ball.
overall I loved the reaction but I feel I didn't guess the cover prep right so off to the spinner and try again.but for the first time I tried this lay out I can say I'm impressed with the ball.it revs very fast and hooks big time with very good control,reminds me of my no mercy but more agressive.
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Re: Hammer Pain Thought
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2008, 10:49:07 PM »
what surface was it at and then what polish did you use?

on edit: I'd suggest taking the ball to a lower grit, maybe 1000 Abralon or even less and then adding polish to it.
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six pack

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Re: Hammer Pain Thought
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2008, 10:58:07 PM »
2000 abralon and finesse-it.I'm thinking of trying 1000 abralon and and 3m compound.lanes are proanvilanes.
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SVstar34

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Re: Hammer Pain Thought
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2008, 10:59:11 PM »
Ya... I'd suggest taking to 1000 Abralon and then using what you did before to polish it, or even go to the compound.
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Re: Hammer Pain Thought
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2008, 01:11:25 PM »
I tried this again last night on wood lanes with the same cover set up.I have always had problems clearing the heads on wood lanes and having less energy for the backend.the ball cleared the heads with ease and had alot of backend,too much off the dry and a move in with the break point in more oil resulted in better carry and control.
I'm some what suprised with a ball that seems to be known for being smooth with a layout that is supposed to be smooth that this ball moves so much off the backend.up the back release,45* axis rotation,lots of roll and a huge move off the break.
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Re: Hammer Pain Thought
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2008, 01:18:08 PM »
Why not try a rising with recomended layout 1 pin grip center small x hole down by thumb area very weak smooth and consistant should play well right up the track or maybe even move right and play the outside oil and play down and in with this.
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Re: Hammer Pain Thought
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2008, 02:29:48 PM »
I had a rising with #1 layout,the ball was all backend.
to be honest I like the way this pain is rolling with this layout,just trying to figure out if I drill up a new ball with this layout if I would see the same results.I've always use a pin to pap of 41/2"-6" on my stuff as the closer I get to 33/8"-4" the ball hooks in the heads but the long pin to pap can become flippy or the backend move just so so.
as for something for dry or up the track I might try a pearl with the pin in my track.
But I've been thinking that I could use a pearl with a 33/8"x33/8" layout but I've been at a loss when finding a layout I really like for a solid,I hope I'm on to something.
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Re: Hammer Pain Thought
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2008, 02:45:15 PM »
Just fluff that puppy, I guarantee good results.  I stopped trying to overpower and just stroke it and the results have been great.  Good Luck.
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Re: Hammer Pain Thought
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2008, 08:29:49 PM »
quote:
well here's my update:
raw hammer pain drilled pin 1 1/2" from pap cg in the mid plane,high polish.
This is not a dry lane ball for me.the ball revved up very fast and had a big booming backend.controll was good but I felt the polish was a bit much as it would hook very hard off the dry and in the oil it didn't have enough to carry consistantly.on the fresh I stood about 18 with target at ten out to 8 and by the third I was about 27-17-10.farther out in the dry would cross over and more inside would leave a ten or close to a wash.I still had a very tight 3"-4" of track flare on the ball.
overall I loved the reaction but I feel I didn't guess the cover prep right so off to the spinner and try again.but for the first time I tried this lay out I can say I'm impressed with the ball.it revs very fast and hooks big time with very good control,reminds me of my no mercy but more agressive.
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WOW! im surprised it turned out to be that strong with that layout.

You could try a pin axis layout?  Put the pin right on your pap and that may just eliminate the strong backend move?

Six Pack, the layout i've used in the past to tame down backend reaction was 3 3/8 stacked leverge.  For me that layout caused the ball to flare a lot but early and die off on the backend.  Now sometimes the ball would still be very strong on the backend depending on the pattern but for the most part it was easy to control.  Having the right ball for that layout is a must.  I never liked flippy reactions from equipment.

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Re: Hammer Pain Thought
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2008, 09:41:08 PM »
six pack I needed a ball for what you are talking about and I ended up withthe same layout on a similar ball...I used a Lane 1 Tsunami. Pin 2" off my PAP with the mass bias under the thumb. 2000 grit sand with Secret Sauce for teh surface.

I got the exact reaction you did...the ball revved up early and had a surprising backend reaction. The drill was supposed to be fairly mild on the backend but mine boomed.

I took a 1000 grit pad with light pressure and lots of water to the shined cover and the ball smoothed itself out.

The only problem I have had with it is flat 10's if I try to go against the grain (swing ing it) too much.

keep at it...you'll get it tweaked and it'll be golden!!!
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