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DP3

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Hawg & Hawg Wild Setup Help
« on: December 15, 2006, 12:28:17 PM »
I have a two hander that is going out to Team USA trials this year who is in love with his Raw Hammer Series.  He has a black widow but it is wayy too strong out of his hand(s).  Here are his stats from Ebonite BowlersMAP:

Release Speed: 21.4mph
RPMS: 515rpms
Tilt: 8 degrees
Degree of Rotation: 55deg
PAP: 5" right, 1" up

I am thinking the pattern he will struggle on the most is the short pattern.  Rather than going to weaker choices like the Pure Hammer or some older urethanes that will neglect read in the midlane, I was thinking something stronger with a weak pin position and smooth cover prep.  

One of these I was going to set up over his middle finger so it's around a 5" in to PAP with a hole deep on his PAP for more of a hook/stop reaction out of his release.  One I was going to set up pin under bridge with a 135 degree layout and a weighthole on the negative side on the negative side of the bowtie for more control down lane.  

Which out of the Hawg and Hawg Wild is the stronger off the spot, and which one is more sensitive to oil down lane?  I am having a hard time differentiating these balls as I haven't seen many use them, but whichever one was sharper around the turn I was going to set up with the 135degree layout.  The other I was going to lay out 5x0 with the hole on the PAP.  I'll take any advice or drilling suggestions on each.  
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Re: Hawg & Hawg Wild Setup Help
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2006, 09:57:11 PM »
Well this is a shot in the dark but I had a DOOM drilled stacked leverage and dulled with Ebonites matte polish.  This ball was great on the broken down short patterns.  I don't have 500 rpm but do have some hand.  My DOOM burned up a good amount but was very controllable and didn't hook a lot like one would think.

I took the polish off green scotchbrite, then used a grey 800 grit pad and finished it off with the MATTE polish.

He may want to look into something like this.

Now which ever ball you choose check out the drilling I suggested.  Mine was stacked leverage with a balance hole very close to my pap drilled to zero side.  Hope this helps.
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Re: Hawg & Hawg Wild Setup Help
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2006, 10:39:26 PM »
Well "Stacked Leverage" ends up being close to a 3 1/2 pin to PAP placement for him since his PAP has a high vertical measurement.  We try to stay away from that as most balls flare out on him like that.  Namely his Time Zone and Classic Zone which he doesn't use.  This guy can draw angle out of anything and change his tilt and rotation pretty well.  What we are trying to do is avoid him having to alter his release 4 or 5 times in a given block and play his bread and butter shot off of his hand and drill balls around his strengths.  I think your suggestion may work for someone more speed dominant with a much lower rev rate like a Mike Scroggins or Dave Traber.  When this kid winds up on it, he's more like Wes Mallott when he's throwing it hard.
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sammy the sage

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Re: Hawg & Hawg Wild Setup Help
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2006, 04:47:18 AM »
the cut-throat cover on the hawg/real deal...is by far the strongest cover hammer's made to date...it reads very early, and very strong....too much for you're friend...

everything after seems to be much milder despite hammer's claim to the contrary...

the hawgzilla seems very mild and smooth...yet handles carry down...no over/under/squirt...which is what you want on this pattern...been there done that...

tony reyes also shot 300 on tv on the pba short pattern w/it...
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Re: Hawg & Hawg Wild Setup Help
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2006, 05:16:00 AM »
The Hawg is stronger than the Hawg Wild. I would disagree with your choices, but if that's what you have decided, I'd go with the Hawg with 5" pin/pap and Hawg Wild at 135.

Personally, I'd look at the Raw Line, as chitown has said. I'd look at Pain and Doom for him, but you know what he does better than I.

Good Luck !
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Re: Hawg & Hawg Wild Setup Help
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2006, 08:34:13 AM »
The 2 Dooms and Pain that he has are working very well on THS.  We are looking for something that is going to burn some energy before the breakpoint of the Raw Hammer Series.  He can get these balls to 40-45 feet with no problem.  He needs something thats going to read alot sooner and bleed off some energy before the end of the pattern.  We want a slower response time to dry boards, not a quicker one that higher r.g.'s and weaker covers will provide.  I've set him up on the Cheetah Pattern and he had major problems with his weaker equipment and pearls being way too aggressive off of the spot.  I think bigger and smoother would be the best option.  Finding it in their lineup is the key.
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