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Title: I think something might be wrong with my Black Widow
Post by: crusher267658 on April 19, 2007, 04:23:17 AM
When I went to go practice today, I used my BW. I noticed that there might be a problem with it. The reason why I'm saying this was because when I would throw the ball 1 shot, then I would throw it the exact same way the next shot it would do something totally different. For example, one shot I would throw it and it would go high, then the next shot I threw it the same way with the same amount of hand, and it would barely hit the head pin. This would happen every single time. Then in the third game, I tried going straight up 1st or 2nd arrow with almost no hand in the ball at all, and it held for one shot, then I tried it again with the same amount of hand and speed, and the ball almost went brooklyn. I noticed that I have had problems with it eversince I changed the grit to 2000. Could that have something to do with it? This is really making me worried and nervous because I love my BW, but i don't have any money to get the thing fixed if something is wrong with it. Is something actually wrong with it?
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Title: Re: I think something might be wrong with my Black Widow
Post by: Nodsleinad on April 19, 2007, 12:29:48 PM
Operator error would be my guess..... N:-)


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Title: Re: I think something might be wrong with my Black Widow
Post by: KDawg77 on April 19, 2007, 12:30:33 PM
I'm dubious that you rolled the ball exactly the same way twice. Unless the lane oil moved that fast, there's no way what you described can physically happen. Balls only respond to two things: input from humans and friction.
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Title: Re: I think something might be wrong with my Black Widow
Post by: crusher267658 on April 19, 2007, 12:33:44 PM
I made sure that I threw it the same way. I don't know if maybe the two lanes I was bowling on were completely different, or if maybe my BW needs to be resurfaced, or if I should take it back up to 4000.
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Title: Re: I think something might be wrong with my Black Widow
Post by: KDawg77 on April 19, 2007, 12:36:06 PM
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I made sure that I threw it the same way. I don't know if maybe the two lanes I was bowling on were completely different, or if maybe my BW needs to be resurfaced, or if I should take it back up to 4000.


Very well could be the lanes. Many of use have seen that before. I would not change your surface until you roll more.
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Title: Re: I think something might be wrong with my Black Widow
Post by: crusher267658 on April 19, 2007, 12:38:54 PM
Yeah. I'm gonna be doing a lot of bowling this summer because my bowling alley has a deal for $75, where they give you a card, and you can bowl as many games as you want without paying anymore from the middle of May to the middle of August. So I'll have time to see if it was just the lanes that were weird.
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Title: Re: I think something might be wrong with my Black Widow
Post by: Strider on April 19, 2007, 12:39:16 PM
Many times we don't throw it as consistently as we think, but that's the same exact problem I had with my Tsunami.  One shot would hook good, the next would go an extra 7', then labor in an attempt to recover.  I sanded it to 600 grit, and ran it through the dishwasher (no heat drying cycle), then refinished the ball to where I wanted it (1000 grit in my case).  The ball acted MUCH better after the thorough cleaning provided by the dishwasher.  In general, Ebonite/Hammer covers need more maintenance than most others.  I wouldn't doubt the cover is oil logged.
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Title: Re: I think something might be wrong with my Black Widow
Post by: crusher267658 on April 19, 2007, 12:41:16 PM
I gave it a bath about 2 months ago. Maybe I should give it another one. I have put a lot of games on that ball.
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Title: Re: I think something might be wrong with my Black Widow
Post by: Jesse James on April 19, 2007, 01:01:35 PM
I find this very interesting! I have a friend who normally carries between a 203 avg, and a 210 avg in about three different houses. He is a very respected bowler. He has two differntly drill BW's. When he first got these balls,he was tearing up the house. Didn't matter which house! He was crushing the competition regularly.

About halfway thru the season, he went into a slump, and has yet to recover. He continues to use his BW's with varying results, week to week! He is extremely frustrated right now.

He came out for a practice session one day. I asked if I could throw both his pieces. He said, sure. He has one BW drilled for length, with roll, pin over the ring and cg kicked out slightly. And the other a bit stronger drilled, with the pin down and cg closer to his pap.

In throwing these balls, neither of them did what I expected them to do, based on the drilling they had. Both were over/under like crazy! The one I expected to give a smooth but strong arc just bended ever so slowly, and the other which I expected to see length and a strong backend reaction, tried to hook off the lanes! It was, to say the least........bizarre.

Maybe this is what happens when they become oil-soaked? I don't know. But Crusher, you are not the only one who is dealing with some squirrly Black Widows!
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Title: Re: I think something might be wrong with my Black Widow
Post by: BeeVee on April 19, 2007, 01:10:41 PM
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I gave it a bath about 2 months ago. Maybe I should give it another one. I have put a lot of games on that ball.


Yep, I would absolutely give the ball a bath if it's been two months.  I can't say that was the problem for you today, but better safe than sorry.  Hell, I give my BW a bath every single week, then hit it with Clean and Dull, and I only bowl 4 games a week with it!

Good luck.
Title: Re: I think something might be wrong with my Black Widow
Post by: Hogsharley on April 19, 2007, 01:14:59 PM
Thats normal. All my balls do the same thing and I throw them all exactly the same way.

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I noticed that there might be a problem with it. The reason why I'm saying this was because when I would throw the ball 1 shot, then I would throw it the exact same way the next shot it would do something totally different. For example, one shot I would throw it and it would go high, then the next shot I threw it the same way with the same amount of hand, and it would barely hit the head pin.

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Title: Re: I think something might be wrong with my Black Widow
Post by: crusher267658 on April 19, 2007, 01:21:19 PM
Ok, I'll do it tommorow. I'm in a bad mood right now because I had to right an essay for a scholarship, and I had to right over one little letter on a word that I mispelled by accedent, and now I have to right it all over again.
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Title: Re: I think something might be wrong with my Black Widow
Post by: crusher267658 on April 19, 2007, 01:29:33 PM
I'm gonna give it a bath now to get my mind off of that essay.
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Title: Re: I think something might be wrong with my Black Widow
Post by: Strider on April 19, 2007, 01:35:22 PM
quote:
Ok, I'll do it tomorrow. I'm in a bad mood right now because I had to write an essay for a scholarship, and I had to write over one little letter on a word that I misspelled by accident, and now I have to write it all over again.


Fixed.  
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Title: Re: I think something might be wrong with my Black Widow
Post by: Derek on April 19, 2007, 01:40:01 PM
quote:
quote:
Ok, I'll do it tomorrow. I'm in a bad mood right now because I had to write an essay for a scholarship, and I had to write over one little letter on a word that I misspelled by accident, and now I have to write it all over again.


Fixed.  
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Title: Re: I think something might be wrong with my Black Widow
Post by: crusher267658 on April 19, 2007, 01:40:54 PM
quote:
quote:
Ok, I'll do it tomorrow. I'm in a bad mood right now because I had to write an essay for a scholarship, and I had to write over one little letter on a word that I misspelled by accident, and now I have to write it all over again.


Fixed.  
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Title: Re: I think something might be wrong with my Black Widow
Post by: strikealot on April 19, 2007, 01:41:03 PM
widows in my area have died pretty quick..people have put up great scores with it but lose reaction with it soon after..definately have to be cleaned regularly..
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Title: Re: I think something might be wrong with my Black Widow
Post by: crusher267658 on April 19, 2007, 01:53:59 PM
I have almost finished the first bath. I'm gonna take it out in a few minutes and empty out the dirty water, then I'm gonna give it one more bath. I have gotten out a lot of oil so far.
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Title: Re: I think something might be wrong with my Black Widow
Post by: crusher267658 on April 19, 2007, 02:18:57 PM
I use energizer too after I get home from bowling everytime.
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Title: Re: I think something might be wrong with my Black Widow
Post by: spinner031 on April 19, 2007, 06:41:27 PM
I think the problem is you because balls only change pattern when you do something, or the lane does something.  I think it's all in your head.  You must be rotating it differently or throwing faster without knowing.
Title: Re: I think something might be wrong with my Black Widow
Post by: qstick777 on April 20, 2007, 10:29:05 PM
quote:
I hope your essay didn't require correct spelling and punctuation


I'm sure his essay has perfect spelling, grammar and punctuation.

From what I understand, they are actually teaching kids to make mistakes on the internet.  It's okay, because it's the internet.
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Title: Re: I think something might be wrong with my Black Widow
Post by: CHawk15 on April 21, 2007, 10:03:34 PM
I'm of the opinion that it's operator error and not necessarily the ball.  The other thing is that sometimes houses change the oil pattern in the middle of the season and often they put less oil down.  With a ball like the Black Widow, it needs head oil to get down the lane with enough energy to turn the corner. It could very well be that the surface adjustment to 2000 grit is either making the ball roll out early and quit or hook early.  You could try taking the surface back up to 4000, but the big thing is I think your ball speed is inconsistent, which would explain your results.   I haven't thrown a Black Widow yet, but I think that when I do, it'll react similar to my Domination where I'll be able to play straighter on the fresh oil for about a game or so, and then I'll have to move left and "send it and bend it".  That's just a guess though.
Title: Re: I think something might be wrong with my Black Widow
Post by: Big Kahuna on April 25, 2007, 08:18:52 AM
it's lane surface, speed, ball layout and how the ball is thrown.  i had the same problem with my bw.  it's never the ball.  ball does nothing by itself.  in my experience, i guess my style of play did not match up to the ball. that happens. just my opinion.
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