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Equipment Boards => Hammer => Topic started by: Ric Clint on December 22, 2003, 08:09:31 AM

Title: Is the Big Blue really a HEAVY OIL ball?
Post by: Ric Clint on December 22, 2003, 08:09:31 AM
Is this ball really a Heavy Oil ball... how can it be? It only has a differential of .026

So how can this ball have any kind of backend recovery at all on Heavy Oil???



Title: Re: Is the Big Blue really a HEAVY OIL ball?
Post by: DP3 on December 22, 2003, 11:15:04 PM
Trust me....it RECOVERS!  Definately for the Heavier side of Medium.  The Power Diesel is probaly their truest heavy oil ball.
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Title: Re: Is the Big Blue really a HEAVY OIL ball?
Post by: jkiser01 on December 22, 2003, 11:18:41 PM
I have personally drilled up the power diesel, Big Blue and vicious strike and for me, the strike and power diesel have much more hook in oil than big blue.

I think the strike is more of an heavy oil ball than the power diesel, but they are close.
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Title: Re: Is the Big Blue really a HEAVY OIL ball?
Post by: charlest on December 22, 2003, 11:39:45 PM
That is the MASS Bias differential. It is NOT the RG Differential.

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Title: Re: Is the Big Blue really a HEAVY OIL ball?
Post by: Ric Clint on December 23, 2003, 12:01:08 AM
The Mass Bias differential??? Ohhhhh... then what is the RG Differential I wonder???


Title: Re: Is the Big Blue really a HEAVY OIL ball?
Post by: Ric Clint on December 23, 2003, 12:30:36 AM
Any idea what it is in a 15 or 15.5 ???





Title: Re: Is the Big Blue really a HEAVY OIL ball?
Post by: charlest on December 23, 2003, 06:46:00 AM
quote:
charlie,

.026 is the xy diff, not the yz.

the yz is about .012 or .014 off the top of my beer-addled brain .


King,

I wasn't even trying to get that deep into this complex subject.
It's just that Ric is the 49th person to get confused by that published spec. I think even BowlingBallReviews has that number as the RG Differential. Besides its RG Differential is relatively small for such a supposedly strong ball.

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Edited on 12/23/2003 7:45 AM
Title: Re: Is the Big Blue really a HEAVY OIL ball?
Post by: Jeffrevs on December 23, 2003, 06:55:37 AM
charlest,

King gets a little over our head from time to time.......it happens often when we're talking about stuff,..I'll have to say " whoa there big fella.....lay-mans terms please !"

I used this analogy a while ago.....I compare King to education,(bowling related)...I'm a graduate from a 4 year university, he's a Double Doctorate from MIT !

The Big Blue is an interesting animal isn't it....supposed to be strong, but has a DIFF of .026 ?? HUH ?
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Title: Re: Is the Big Blue really a HEAVY OIL ball?
Post by: DP3 on December 23, 2003, 08:52:11 AM
Alot of older Columbia balls had differentials of like .034.  You're still getting anywhere from 2-5 inches of flare with .024-.035  I think you people sometimes take the numbers too serious.  I've seen this ball in action and it does hook and recover.  I believe hammer know what they have on their hands with this one.
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Title: Re: Is the Big Blue really a HEAVY OIL ball?
Post by: Jeffrevs on December 23, 2003, 09:26:58 AM
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I think you people sometimes take the numbers too serious.  I've seen this ball in action and it does hook and recover.  I believe hammer know what they have on their hands with this one.


And, would you guess after seeing this ball in action the numbers it has ?
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JEFF
Hello, I just lowered my track !
Title: Re: Is the Big Blue really a HEAVY OIL ball?
Post by: DP3 on December 23, 2003, 03:17:16 PM
Yes.  Assymetrical core with an aggressive coverstock that has a strong midlane movement with a continuous arc.  It's like a Pulse on Steroids.
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Title: Re: Is the Big Blue really a HEAVY OIL ball?
Post by: Jeffrevs on December 23, 2003, 09:31:05 PM
you're a better man than me then, because I would NOT think this is an OIL ball, regardles.....
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JEFF
Hello, I just lowered my track !
Title: Re: Is the Big Blue really a HEAVY OIL ball?
Post by: thegame on December 23, 2003, 09:43:29 PM
I too had concerns about this ball's ability to recover on heavier oil, especially since I probably only generate average revs or so, but this ball does get back to the hole if you give it some time in terms of slowing down a bit.  I have noticed some carry issues for me on my league shot which has some noticeably carrydown, and I have to go to my Raging Inferno or Fear Factor, but the continuation of this ball is incredible.  I would consider this ball definitely a medium heavy oil ball, flood ball for some with more hand and an overall great release from Hammer.
Title: Re: Is the Big Blue really a HEAVY OIL ball?
Post by: DP3 on December 23, 2003, 10:50:49 PM
Until you throw the ball you can't really say what it does, you can only go on an assumption from factory specs.... everyone should keep that in mind
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Title: Re: Is the Big Blue really a HEAVY OIL ball?
Post by: Jeffrevs on December 24, 2003, 10:20:33 AM
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Until you throw the ball you can't really say what it does, you can only go on an assumption from factory specs.... everyone should keep that in mind
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-D. Marshall
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this ball has certainly proven that, hasn't it
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JEFF
Hello, I just lowered my track !
Title: Re: Is the Big Blue really a HEAVY OIL ball?
Post by: srlunatic on December 24, 2003, 10:27:13 AM
Saw Big Blue yesterday for the first time in the hand of a friend I bowl with quite often.....so can give a decent review/opinion..

had it drilled pretty agressive....pin at 1...cg just right of center....mb about an inch right of thumb....

1st thing I noticed.........didn't fly off the dry......very controlled....if he played deep in the oil......wasn't as strong as would have thought it..had to have dry boards to get it to the pocket......hit box condition Crunch was much stronger in the oil which surprised me a bit.  To me wouldn't be a heavy oiler at all....but would be an excellent choice on medium.......or wet/dry......as it is extremely controllable.....nothing jumpy about it at all....

just my observation so far...
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Title: Re: Is the Big Blue really a HEAVY OIL ball?
Post by: scotts33 on December 25, 2003, 09:30:27 AM
JMO here.  I think, we have to remember that Hammer was trying to bring out Big Blue to show much of the same reaction that the original Blue Hammer had.  Nice even hook roll not a big hooker.  You wouldn't buy this ball if you wanted a ball that moved a huge amount...there are other balls in the Hammer line for that.  

I would think that the Big Blue would be a perfect ball for walls/THS.  

Scott
Title: Re: Is the Big Blue really a HEAVY OIL ball?
Post by: mrbowlingnut on December 25, 2003, 10:55:00 PM
I have the big blue and this ball flat out hooks mine is drilled
with pin stacked and the Hmb mass bias to the left of my thumb. It is very continous the entire lane, is it my biggest hooking ball in oil NOPE!!!!! The addiction for me it slighty stronger in the backend but the Blue starts earlier but overall the addiction is stronger but the mass bias of my addiction is in the stronger position with it right of my thumb. It appears to be very porous looking coverstock and IMO would be harder to shine up but i am not going to since it will be a nice ball to keep for heavier patterns. It has great power and the numbers do not add up to being as strong as this ball really is maybe just a great cover to core matchup.