Then don't market it as a Vibe. When the Jet Black Vibe was made, Hammer state it was a limited release in only 15lb and you had to buy 4 Cold Bloods to get it and that was the last Vibe to be made yet promise!!!!

I don't get why you are so flustered over this. All you have to do is a few minutes of research to find that Hammer had nothing to do with the marketing of this ball. This was a private release that Bowlers Mart (Cliff Barnes Pro Shop) paid to have made and Hammer allowed them to use the materials.

Per internet posts


K&K bowling services in Las Vegas had them made for them. Only 70 were made specially for K&K. Thankfully I know a few guys that work there. They are selling them for $169.99 until they are sold out. You can visit their website or grab one off ebay.

15LBS

ONLY 70 EXIST EVER!!!

“Introducing the K&K Bowling Services exclusive bowling ball – the Black Widow Poison! This ball features the proven Grand Theft Reactive III Pearl loaded with a modified M.P.A. core. Are you ready to poison the pins? Bring them down with the extreme backend from the limited edition Black Widow Poison!”

Quote from: pin-smasher on December 18, 2013, 12:14:22 PM

Dont think this much different than when k&k came out with black widow poison in limited quantities

The Black Widow Poison is actually an international ball made by Hammer, just like the Black Widow Danger, Black Widow Assassin, the 3rd and 4th versions of the Black Widow Spare, and the Black Widow Fear.

Most of these are sold in Japan and the Far East. But they were not made specifically for K&K.

You can find all of these at http://www.legend-star.com/

BL.

That is not the same ball k&k was selling...ball they had didnt use gas mask core and was different color

Quote from: pin-smasher on December 18, 2013, 01:46:17 PM

15LBS

ONLY 70 EXIST EVER!!!

“Introducing the K&K Bowling Services exclusive bowling ball – the Black Widow Poison! This ball features the proven Grand Theft Reactive III Pearl loaded with a modified M.P.A. core. Are you ready to poison the pins? Bring them down with the extreme backend from the limited edition Black Widow Poison!”

http://www.legend-star.com/ball-black-widow-poison.html

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BLACK WIDOW POISON <ブラック ウィドー ポイズン>
●Coverstock : Skid/Flip Aggressive Edge Reactive
●Core : Gas Mask Core with Flip Block
●Color : Purple/Black/Red Pearl
●Hardness : 75-77
●Factory Finish : Polished
●RG : 2.50 ΔRG : 0.060
●Flare Potential : High
●Performance : Good Length with Agrressive Backend
●Best Lane Condition : Medium to Heavy Oil
●Available Weights : 12-16
●Price : 47,250 (45,000)

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Hammer Booth had them during Nationals, and stated that it was an international release.

BL.

Mid 2013 I believe it was out

I usually stay pretty positive on here. Vibes sell well for me and gets frustrating when customers ask and I have to tell them sorry, I can't get it. Jet Black Vibe would have been hard to keep on shelf, but can't order 32 cold bloods to get 8 vibes. My market is too small and higher end Hammer Balls to fly off my shelf. I would have liked to get a few of these but at 129.00 is a no way.

I agree totally on the Black Vibe. I think that was a $hitty way to do things. This is different because someone paid to have this done. It has happen several times before by several manufactures. BB.com I believe did several through Brunswick with re-releases of some classics. This proshop decided to have something custom done.

I was at work and ordered mine off of my phone at 2am in the morning. Wish I had ordered a case instead of just two.

Will there be as much complaining if the next ball that replaces the Vibe series looks and sells better if it doesn't have the "Vibe" on the side? Say they replace the Vibe core with the anger series core and continuing using the older HP covers on the entry line ball. (GTR3 ect ect)

Will there be as much complaining if the next ball that replaces the Vibe series looks and sells better if it doesn't have the "Vibe" on the side? Say they replace the Vibe core with the anger series core and continuing using the older HP covers on the entry line ball. (GTR3 ect ect)

Take that a bit further.

From various quotes found online and on Hammer's own forum from a few years ago, we were told that the Black Widow Nasty was going to be the last in the BW Line. And for a fair number of people, the Nasty was upsetting, because it was the only Black Widow that didn't have the Gas Mask core in it. Luckily, the Taboo series continued with it...

But somehow, 3 Black Widow Spares, Black Widow Killer, Black Widow Venom, Black Widow Hazard, Black Widow Danger, aforementioned Black Widow Poison, Black Widow Wise, Black Widow Violent, Black Widow Assassin, Black Widow Monster, and Black Widow Fear have all been released overseas since, all with the Gas Mask core, not to mentioned the Gas Mask Clear spare ball.

I think the biggest thing that would be cause for complaining is availability, and knowledge that the ball even exists. There was marketing done by Barnes here for us to find out, but without looking overseas, would any of you have known that 14 other Black Widow balls were released since the announcement of the "end" of the Black Widow line of balls?

I know that overseas is a different market and a beast of one altogether, but there you have it.

BL.

People have been been making private label stuff forever I dont see why people are getting so butt hurt about not being able to get one. If they made 5000 of them it wouldnt exactly be a limited edition. TBO its great so many people are talking Good or Bad about this topic for them.I bet next time they come out a bunch of us will be waiting in line like its black friday to get one!