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chitown

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« on: December 08, 2006, 02:42:34 AM »
For those of you that had problems with your NM how was it drilled?  

I received an E-mail from Brian Graham from HAMMER.  He told me that a lot of pro shops are drilling the #1 layout without checking the bowlers pap.  Basically just placing the pin next to the ring finger with out checking the distance from the bowlers pap.

He said that the #1 layout should have a pin placement of 4" to 5" from the bowlers pap.  For some bowlers a pin distance of 4" is above the ring finger.  If this same bowler has the pin next to the ring it would be around 3" from pap.  

Since this ball is so strong, and a bowler places the pin in the 3" from pap range, it will not have a strong back end.  I think this is true!

I know a friend of mine has a NM that has not worked for him.  I have a PM sent to him to find out how far the pin is from his pap.  I'm willing to bet it's close to 3 3/8".  This would explain why his only backends good on dry back ends.


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chitown

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Re: NM
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2006, 10:50:52 AM »
Did your pro shop driller check your pap when drilling your NM?  This is really important.  

This ball when drilled correctly is a beast!  I'm getting my 2nd one after the holidays.

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Re: NM
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2006, 10:55:14 AM »
Seems like I went through this and was bashed for suggesting not everyone needed #1. Personally, I only know of 3 guys locally that could use #1, #2 is working out best for those here, that want a strong ball with #6 in second spot. Personally, #7 is best for me.

Thanks for the info.
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Re: NM
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2006, 10:57:34 AM »
I would agree with the roll out issues but why would the ball hook in the dry?you would think it would be the opposite.
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Re: NM
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2006, 11:00:29 AM »
I had a n.m. and threw it to measure track and pap with this ball and set up the new one,awesome reaction.even when the heads start to go the ball has major backend.
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Re: NM
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2006, 12:05:38 PM »
I sold the NM to sixpack for me it was major junk, they would have to give me another to try it out. Ball was lazy and did not have any backend on about anything i tried it on, first Hammer ball i have not like in about 2 years since the Switch Blade.

So number one layout is not for everybody like mine was and i am not spending another 150 bucks to find out if any other layout is good or not. My pin on that ball was about 4 inch to pin to pap, i almost always use 4 1/2 to 5 inch pins to pap's.
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chitown

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Re: NM
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2006, 12:11:12 PM »
I was told the #1 layout will hook the most and is good for all levels of players.  Brian Graham said that the reason some are having problems with the #1 layout is because there driller put the pin closer to leverage.  In the #1 layout the PIN is supposed to be 4" -5" from ones pap.  

The #1 layout is going to look different for a lot of players because of there own pap's.  For some the pin may need to be above there ring finger to achieve the 4" pin to pap distance.  For some the pin may need to be 1" right of the ring finger to get the 4" pin distance.  

So I can see why some are having issues with the #1 layout.  So those that are having problem with this ball and used the #1 layout probably had there pins closer to leverage 3 3/8" from there pap, which is too strong a pin placement for this ball.

Just because it looks like the pin is next to the ring finger in the pics of the layouts doesn't mean that is where the pin is supposed to be for everyone.  The pic just gives one an idea of how it would look but is not accurate for each bowler.

I made this post for others to pay a lot of attention to how there ball is drilled.  Make sure the driller measures there pap.  In fact, the driller should always measure ones pap when drilling a ball.
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chitown

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Re: NM
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2006, 12:15:50 PM »
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I sold the NM to sixpack for me it was major junk, they would have to give me another to try it out. Ball was lazy and did not have any backend on about anything i tried it on, first Hammer ball i have not like in about 2 years since the Switch Blade.

So number one layout is not for everybody like mine was and i am not spending another 150 bucks to find out if any other layout is good or not. My pin on that ball was about 4 inch to pin to pap, i almost always use 4 1/2 to 5 inch pins to pap's.


If you would have put the pin at 5" like you have done with your other balls it would have probvably made a huge difference in the balls reaction.

I know how you feel.  It sucks buying a ball that has a lot of hype only to find that it didn't work for you.

That's why i'm posting this.  My friend has one and has not had success with his.  He has it drilled with the #1 layout.  Well at least I think he does.  I'm not sure if his pin is 4" from his pap.  In fact, i'm willing to bet it's closer to 3 3/8".  From what I was told that makes a big difference in this balls reaction.

It just sucks that you and others have had problems with yours.  This ball when drilled correct is an absolute beast and crushes racks!
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Re: NM
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2006, 12:33:48 PM »
Hi Chitown:
I always buy balls with 2-3" PIN placement. Does that meant it's not qualify to use on drill #1?
My ball speed is about 15 mph, and mid Rev. Would #1 drill works for me?
Thanks much.
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chitown

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Re: NM
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2006, 12:48:58 PM »
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Hi Chitown:
I always buy balls with 2-3" PIN placement. Does that meant it's not qualify to use on drill #1?
My ball speed is about 15 mph, and mid Rev. Would #1 drill works for me?
Thanks much.


When you say 2"-3" pin placement your probably referring to the pin out distance.  This is the distance that the CG is from the PIN.  This pin out distance is not the same thing as pin placement from ones PAP.  That's something totally different.

When i'm talking about pin placement, i'm referring to how far ones pin is to there PAP.  That's positive axis point.  With the #1 layout on this ball it has been told to me that 4"-5" pin to pap distance is best.  Those that place the pin closer than 4" to there pap will not get the desired back end that this ball is capable of having.

Now with you buying pin out's of 2"-3" is just fine for this layout.  So there's no worries there.  Just make sure that your pro shop guy finds what your PAP is.  They can do this off of one of your other balls.  The pro shop guy will usually have you throw a ball down the lane to get your ball track.  From looking at your ball track he can find your pap.

If you need further explanation let me know.  I can send you a PM to explain all of this stuff to give you a better understanding of what i'm saying.
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Re: NM
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2006, 02:06:35 PM »
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I sold the NM to sixpack for me it was major junk, they would have to give me another to try it out. Ball was lazy and did not have any backend on about anything i tried it on, first Hammer ball i have not like in about 2 years since the Switch Blade.

So number one layout is not for everybody like mine was and i am not spending another 150 bucks to find out if any other layout is good or not. My pin on that ball was about 4 inch to pin to pap, i almost always use 4 1/2 to 5 inch pins to pap's.
 

first night out with that ball was 742.not too shabby but I sold it off already since I drilled up another with pin to pap close to 5",I'll have to measure it again to be sure.I'll click a pic of my second ball tonight and post it for all who cares.
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Re: NM
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2006, 02:37:31 PM »
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For a ball that advertises that it is very simple to drill, it seems that it is hardly the case. LOL.


Actually it is easy for drillers to drill.  The problem is coming from Driller not measuring the bowlers pap.  If you read the #1 layout it even states that the pin should be 4" to 5" from the bowlers pap.  

I just talked with my friend Rich(duke harding) about the pin placement on his NM.  He is going to measure it but thinks it's close to 3 3/8" from his pap.  This would explain why his NM doesn't have that big back end move.

I'm willing to bet a lot of the bowlers that have had problems with this ball have used the #1 layout.  I also bet that these same bowlers have there pins close to leverage and not at the recommended distance.  

So these pro shops drillers really need to listen to what Hammer says about the drillings.  This ball is very strong.  The drilling instructions need to be followed.  Yes it's easy to label layout the ball.  The driller just needs to make sure the pin distance is correct.

There are some really crappy drillers out there.
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Re: NM
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2006, 02:45:03 PM »
It's easy to drill IF you get an NM that has the pin/CG and HART lined up or at least reasonably close.  

I'm still not happy with mine and it's going down the road.


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Re: NM
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2006, 02:57:26 PM »
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It's easy to drill IF you get an NM that has the pin/CG and HART lined up or at least reasonably close.  

I'm still not happy with mine and it's going down the road.


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Hows yours drilled again?  How far is your pin from your pap?
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Re: NM
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2006, 03:40:56 PM »
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It's easy to drill IF you get an NM that has the pin/CG and HART lined up or at least reasonably close.  

I'm still not happy with mine and it's going down the road.


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I have been following this thread and have yet to comment, but I will now.  

This ball is VERY simple to lay out, IF your driller uses the PAP to layout balls for his customers.   I have watched many drillers throughout the years, and many are falling into the trap that the PAP no madda.  Well, it does....VERY MUCH.    Many have gotten away with not using the PAP to lay out balls due the the soft THS conditions, and the relativity that "most" bowlers have a 4.5" or greater PAP.   Problem arises when a ball comes out that HAS to be layed out with the PAP in mind.    

I did not lay out my first NM correctly. I polished it and the ball would skid, jerk, and quit.   I didn't think I would ever like the NM.  Then I remeasured my PAP and found that with recent grip changes, that it had changed.   Well I punched another one with the new PAP in mind and now I love the ball.  It is very strong, as I did not polish this one.    

I layed the ball out with a 4.5"  PIN to PAP distance.   Put the HART into my new track according to my PAP, and even shifted it about 1.5" further into my track.  Now the ball is as advertised.    


Now back to this:  

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It's easy to drill IF you get an NM that has the pin/CG and HART lined up or at least reasonably close.  

I'm still not happy with mine and it's going down the road.


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I don't believe that the alignment of the pin/cg/HART should matter that much.   Actually I would love to get one that had the CG offset to the RIGHT of the HART/PIN alignment.  Then I could put the pin above the bridge, swing the HART way out into the track, and have the CG fall within 1" of the CofG.  

The only way this is more difficult is if the ball is misaligned in the opposite direction of the hand of the bowler, otherwise it would make layouts easier.  



(steps down off of soapbox)  

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