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FastTracker33

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NO MERCY
« on: December 02, 2006, 08:18:32 AM »
Hey everyone, i think i'm going to get this ball for my medium-heavy heavy oil ball, but something came across my mind.. what happens if the HART isn't in your track? i'll probably have more questions, but i'll start with this one
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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2006, 04:36:03 PM »
If you look at the Hammer drill sheet for this ball it should tell you what to expect.  If the HART IS not in your ball track you will probably get a real controllable reaction that could work great on tough patterns.

Hammers drill sheet is correct.  I think the bowlers that have not had success with this ball made some mistakes when drilling it.

If the pro shop puts the HART left of the thumb for a right hander but it's not in the bowlers track then there not going to get the desired result.  This is important.  This comes from all the info we have gathered from others that have had problems with theres.

Don't forget bowlers don't have the same pap's.  So there tracks are different.  So if the HART is 1/2" left of the thumb may work for some bowlers but not others.  It all depends on there ball track.

I also think that high rev bowlers should stay away from the strong pin position.  This may make the ball way too strong and cause it to burn up.  Again this is just from what I have gathered about this ball.  Mine is a beast with the pin above the bridge(5.5" from my pap) and HART 3/4" LEFT OF MY THUMB.

I hope this helps answer some of your questions.


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FastTracker33

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Re: NO MERCY
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2006, 04:41:12 PM »
Yes it does a lot chitown! Thank you.. now like i said, you brought up another question.. what happens if the HART is in your track. then over time your track changes.. what happens then?
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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2006, 04:49:34 PM »
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Yes it does a lot chitown! Thank you.. now like i said, you brought up another question.. what happens if the HART is in your track. then over time your track changes.. what happens then?
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Your saying that over time you change your game and your track changes with this new game?  I don't know but i'm guessing that the ball would react different if your game changes.  That's also the case with any ball you have.
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« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2006, 09:18:06 AM »
I change my game to the shot but I don't think the track changes much.much like anyother ball,some play diffrent than others when you change you're release and it's up to the bowler to figure out what works and what dose'nt.with the no mercy the diffrence for me was up the back = strong midlane and strong backend,around the side=stronger backend and more 9 pins.
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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2006, 10:02:46 AM »
I have drilled several, my wife has one as do I. I drilled her #2, mine #7. I can say with both of us, our track has lowered a bit. We have not changed releases, but I do think the ball will lower your track somewhat, JMO. I have only drilled one #1. The difference between several drills is less than 1 inch, so going with #1 for every bowler , IMO, just doesn't seem reasonable. I watch the bowler and suggest what I feel is right for them not just what Hammer says is the way to drill this ball.

I have nothing against Hammer's suggestions, just doesn't work for everyone, IMO.

The Heart is not in my track, it was when I laid out the ball ( by figures) but as I say, my track has lowered, so if you want the Heart in your track, lay it out with the heart lower or left of what your normal track is. My wife's ball also was laid out with the heart on the right side of the thumb ( #2) and her track is almost 1/4 inch lower than on her V2 or No Limit.

My point here is that read the drill sheet, look for something like what you have or want and do not just stick to #1 because the promo folks say to..JMO.

My best suggestion for this ball, keep it clean ! Use Clean N Dull after each set, get the oil out of it or it'll drop in hook or backend.

My 2 cents worth.
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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2006, 10:29:32 AM »
i have one and it is much less than a beast and the heart is in my trackwith the pin just right of and even with my pin. yes the heart cg and pin are in line. Had it taken to a 1000 grit and it made no difference.
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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2006, 11:20:41 AM »
acording to my pro-shop guy the hart should be in you're 3-4 track ring for more backend and the more you go above the track the more arc you should see.
the hart marker is the intermediate mass bias,the differential mass bias is aprox.6"right of the hart marker.keeping this in mind you can use this:https://www.buddiesproshop.com/36/Asymetrical_Layout_Guide.htm ball reaction chart to get a good idea of what type of reaction you should get,at least it's close to the type of reaction I get with my first no mercy.the intermediate mass bias is used so you can drill the ball strong and not need to have a wt.hole,why?USBC on wt.hole proposal.it did'nt pass but I think the rule proposal has force ball manufactures to think up new ways to engineer a ball and to prove to the usbc that there is more than one way to skin a cat.
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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2006, 12:25:55 PM »
I'm not disputing what is being said here about the hart and track position. What I'm wondering is that because most of us bowl on mostly, if not all, synthetic lanes we have a harder time determining exactly where our PRIMARY TRACK is because the balls don't develop an obvious track as they did on wood lanes (of course if you're driller works out of a center, or if you took the time to throw a ball and trace your track, then this is a moot point). Also, wouldn't HAMMER's R&D been well aware that the NM lowers one's track and if the hart needed to be drilled with this in mind have stated so in their drilling layouts (i.e. "drill the hart 1/4 inch lower than your normal track", etc, etc)?

When I determined my track for placement of the HART I used a Brunswick Danger Zone as the template (so to speak) because it has a pretty soft coverstock (PK18) and has developed a subtle but distinguishable primary track. I placed the HART justto the left of the thumb directly on the lower circumference of my track line and the results were nothing short of amazing.

 Every bowler is different and it seems like the NM has had it''s share of disappointed users as well as others that cannot say enough good things about it. I find it ironic that Hammer set out to develop a no brainer drilling method yet in reality what we seem to have is a very drill specific ball that is highly dependent upon determining exactly what constitutes one''s track (3rd flare line, 4th? Or, using the primary track)and taking it from there.

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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2006, 12:43:16 PM »
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I find it ironic that Hammer set out to develop a no brainer drilling method yet in reality what we seem to have is a very drill specific ball that is highly dependent upon determining exactly what constitutes one''s track (3rd flare line, 4th? Or, using the primary track)and taking it from there.


Exactly WALLSHOT.....unless the pin/CG and HART line up and you get the right length pin for the layout you want to use this is a stupid idea as it is no easier than any other ball to layout correctly for the player.  In fact, considering players technique and PAP in many ways it's more difficult.


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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2006, 12:54:02 PM »
quote:
I'm not disputing what is being said here about the hart and track position. What I'm wondering is that because most of us bowl on mostly, if not all, synthetic lanes we have a harder time determining exactly where our PRIMARY TRACK is because the balls don't develop an obvious track as they did on wood lanes (of course if you're driller works out of a center, or if you took the time to throw a ball and trace your track, then this is a moot point). Also, wouldn't HAMMER's R&D been well aware that the NM lowers one's track and if the hart needed to be drilled with this in mind have stated so in their drilling layouts (i.e. "drill the hart 1/4 inch lower than your normal track", etc, etc)?

When I determined my track for placement of the HART I used a Brunswick Danger Zone as the template (so to speak) because it has a pretty soft coverstock (PK18) and has developed a subtle but distinguishable primary track. I placed the HART justto the left of the thumb directly on the lower circumference of my track line and the results were nothing short of amazing.

 Every bowler is different and it seems like the NM has had it''s share of disappointed users as well as others that cannot say enough good things about it. I find it ironic that Hammer set out to develop a no brainer drilling method yet in reality what we seem to have is a very drill specific ball that is highly dependent upon determining exactly what constitutes one''s track (3rd flare line, 4th? Or, using the primary track)and taking it from there.

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I agree with what you say but if you know the distance from the intermediate m.b. and th diff.m.b. then it's basicly like drilling up a mo rich ball.not that difficult if you know.it seems that Hammer made it sound easy to the general public and then taught all who went to their seminars.
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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2006, 02:55:21 PM »
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i have one and it is much less than a beast and the heart is in my trackwith the pin just right of and even with my pin. yes the heart cg and pin are in line. Had it taken to a 1000 grit and it made no difference.
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I'm sorry bud but if this ball does nothing then there's something worng.  There's no way this ball doesn't hook a lot.  Not a chance.  So there's something wrong that's causing yours to not react.
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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2006, 07:49:34 PM »
I used my second no mercy tonight with the pin above the ring finger and the hart 3 inches left of thumb center and all I can say is WOW,WOW,WOW!I had to take alot of hand out of the ball and throw a little fast and I don't think I've ever seen a solid reactive rev up and take off like this thing.this ball is stronger than the widow ten fold.if you're no mercy dose'nt hook than you have to have it drilled wrong,period.I only shot 672 for the night but one side was tight and the other side was moveing alot,I should of used the widow on the side that was hooking.the side that was tight I stood on 20 and threw up 10 and it was ten in the pit everytime.the side that was moveing I stood 35,targeted 18 with the break around 8 and I still carried a few brooks.much better ball when the shot is tight.
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chitown

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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2006, 07:59:18 PM »
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I used my second no mercy tonight with the pin above the ring finger and the hart 3 inches left of thumb center and all I can say is WOW,WOW,WOW!I had to take alot of hand out of the ball and throw a little fast and I don't think I've ever seen a solid reactive rev up and take off like this thing.this ball is stronger than the widow ten fold.if you're no mercy dose'nt hook than you have to have it drilled wrong,period.I only shot 672 for the night but one side was tight and the other side was moveing alot,I should of used the widow on the side that was hooking.the side that was tight I stood on 20 and threw up 10 and it was ten in the pit everytime.the side that was moveing I stood 35,targeted 18 with the break around 8 and I still carried a few brooks.much better ball when the shot is tight.
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This really makes me want to try the HART far left of the the thumb.  Mine has the HART 3/4" left of the thumb.  I would love to see what it does with the HART 3" left of the thumb.  I bet this really wheels on the back end with that HART location.
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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2006, 08:36:35 PM »
it wind up big time!very impressive ball.
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