Author Topic: No Mercy Layout Idea? (Read 2473 times)

revTrex · « **on:** October 20, 2006, 05:27:31 AM »

After looking at the drill sheet...

I think I might have come up with a simple way of looking at the sheet (a vague way at that). Works like a clock, with the pin on the "hour" and the heart 180 degrees opposite on an "hour" as well:

Note that "=" does not mean that the pin distance x CG distance is the same on the No Mercy, rather, that this is the equivalent "normal" drilling

No Mercy Drill (pin/heart hour position) = Traditional Drill = Roll Charecteristics

[going counterclockwise]

Pin at 3:00/Heart at 8:30-9:00 = Pin on PAP = Earliest Roll, Less Backend
Pin at 2:30/Heart at 8:00-8:30 = 2-2.5 x 2-2.5 = Earlier Roll, Control
Pin at 2:00/Heart at 7:30-8:00 = 3-3.5 x 3-3.5 = Early and Aggressive for Low Revs
Pin at 1:30/Heart at 7:00-7:30 = 3.5-4 x 3.5-4 = Aggressive for Average Revs
Pin at 12:00-1:00/Heart at 6:30-7:00 = 4-4.5 x 4-4.5 = Aggressive for High Revs
Pin at 12:00/Heart at 6:30-5:30 = 4.5-5.5 x 4.5-5 = Length + Hook + Control
Pin at 12:00/Heart at 5:30-4:30 = 5-6 x 5-6 = Length + Less Hook + Control

Note that all of these drilling concepts feature the CG in the center (or at least close to the center) of the grip. Hammer also lists a drilling that looks like "stacked" with the pin 4-5 inches from the PAP. At least for me, if I put the pin 4-5 inches from my PAP, with this "stacked drill," it would basically look like the Pin at 12/Heart at 6 (which makes sense, I guess). In any case, it will be interesting to see what else you can do with the new core, when you take the CG and move it OUTSIDE the grip center. Also, moving the pin up and down...same effect as normal? Or does moving the intermediate mass bias do something radical?

Of course, all of the above is me hypothesizing after looking at the drill sheet. Any staffers or members care to give their opinions? In no way is the above "fact" just yet -- I have no idea to be honest. But I think it might work...anyone?
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jkiser01 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 20, 2006, 02:11:08 PM »

I would not deviate from the enclosed drilling instructions at all unless you want a $125 spare ball. Its been stated on here numerous times by Hammer staffers and ball drillers to follow the drilling instructions exactly as written..

If you do have a question about a specific drilling, call Hammer customer service and ask for Ronald Hickland Jr. He designed the ball and knows everything there is to know about this ball..
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Edited on 10/20/2006 2:03 PM

lane1convert · « **Reply #2 on:** October 20, 2006, 02:40:59 PM »

quote:
I would not deviate from the enclosed drilling instructions at all unless you want a $125 spare ball. Its been stated on here numerous times by Hammer staffers and ball drillers to follow the drilling instructions exactly as written..

If you do have a question about a specific drilling, call Hammer customer service and ask for Ronald Hickland Jr. He designed the ball and knows everything there is to know about this ball..
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Edited on 10/20/2006 2:03 PM

I will second this. I was at the Sneak Peak yesterday, and the speaker, the head of Hammer's R & D (his name escapes me at the moment) could not stress the importance of not varying from the recommended drill sheets in the slightest. There is one extra layout that is not on the drill sheet that he said would work, and I believe it is up on Hammer's website.
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revTrex · « **Reply #3 on:** October 20, 2006, 02:59:20 PM »

Ok...perhaps people misunderstood my intentions (but what can be expected of certain individuals?).

I'm not trying to "deviate" from the instructions. However, I like to know how things work, and I like being able to tweak ball reactions, to take into account slight differences in rev rate, axis tilt, etc. Hammer put out a bowling ball with a new technology -- what is so bad about wanting to understand it? About wanting to know the physics behind it, and about wanting to be able to simplify "how" or "what happens" when you put the pin/heart in "x" position?

For those of you who want to just want to drill a ball and go, follow the sheet. For me, I want to first know why using drilling #1 is the best. And I don't want a company response of "because that's the way it is." And I am not retarded in the slightest -- I know just as well as anybody that I can call Hammer and talk to people about my questions.
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DanH78 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 20, 2006, 03:06:09 PM »

You asked what people thought of your idea, and asked for any staffer or other BR.com member to offer an opinion, yet when they tell you they don't think it's a good idea, you insult them.
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revTrex · « **Reply #5 on:** October 20, 2006, 03:34:37 PM »

Actually, I asked for an opinion on something, and they gave me their thoughts in response to something else (related to my questioning, but different nonetheless). Specifically, I asked for thoughts in response to the ideas presented by myself regarding "how the core works." I never asked for thoughts about "whether or not it's a good idea to drill a No Mercy in a radically different way." In fact, my "asking for thoughts" never had any requisite of good/bad qualifications.

Also, I never suggested in my writing that I was going to drill a ball according to anything but Hammer's sheet; however, I wanted to see if my understanding of the core was congruent with more enlightened opinions. Clearly, though, any attempts to reach a level of educated insight are prohibited by your reactionary psychology and inability to properly analyze a few paragraphs.

Thank you, and have a good day. Argue with me, that's fine. Go ahead. Call me names, bash me, complain about me "insulting you" (really, all I did was point out that you didn't understand my original point). As if I care? Has anyone actually talked about the original topic? No...
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lane1convert · « **Reply #6 on:** October 20, 2006, 04:03:53 PM »

quote:

[going counterclockwise]

Pin at 3:00/Heart at 8:30-9:00 = Pin on PAP = Earliest Roll, Less Backend
Pin at 2:30/Heart at 8:00-8:30 = 2-2.5 x 2-2.5 = Earlier Roll, Control
Pin at 2:00/Heart at 7:30-8:00 = 3-3.5 x 3-3.5 = Early and Aggressive for Low Revs
Pin at 1:30/Heart at 7:00-7:30 = 3.5-4 x 3.5-4 = Aggressive for Average Revs
Pin at 12:00-1:00/Heart at 6:30-7:00 = 4-4.5 x 4-4.5 = Aggressive for High Revs
Pin at 12:00/Heart at 6:30-5:30 = 4.5-5.5 x 4.5-5 = Length + Hook + Control
Pin at 12:00/Heart at 5:30-4:30 = 5-6 x 5-6 = Length + Less Hook + Control

Ok, at first I didn't really read your post thoroughly, but now that I have, I tend to agree with it. There is one drilling that was explained at the seminar that does move the CG out of the palm area (for most). It places the Pin on the VAL, (I believe 4-5 inches from PAP, os something along those lines) which in turn raises the CG and the HART as well. I believe this is an aggressive layout for someone with a higher rev rate, but I cannot fully remember, as we were loaded with information yesterday.
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J_Mac · « **Reply #7 on:** October 20, 2006, 09:48:23 PM »

The layout that places the CG outside the grip center area sounds somewhat similar to what Ebonite needed to do for TJ when they drilled up The One for him. They put the pin on his VAL high enough that it appeared to way above his fingers.
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