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BrunsNick

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Serial #'s
« on: November 01, 2006, 10:08:18 AM »
I've noticed on some of the Black Widows that the serial #s are stamped different and they are much more shallow than standard Ebonite stamping.

With one resurfacing, the serial # will come right off... so why??
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Re: Serial #'s
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2006, 06:12:16 PM »
maby so it wont collect dirt as fast? I cant say Ive ever noticed this but it seems strange, If they were smart they would fill them like big B, that is a really cool feature from them. Hasnt stopped me from getting 2 widdows though lol.
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Re: Serial #'s
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2006, 07:33:31 PM »
All of the new Hammer and Ebonite balls have shallow Serial Numbers. AS far as i know, the old deeper numbers were extremly long when they had the USBC Star next to it. I think that Ebonite/Hammer decided that cosmetically, smaller and shalower serial numbers were better.

Does it matter if the numebrs go away when resurfaced? I dont think it does, so i dont see what it matters.
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Jeff Ussery

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Re: Serial #'s
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2006, 07:41:43 PM »
Here is the excerpt from the USBC equipment specifications manual:

Markings
Any bowling ball used in USBC sanctioned
competition must be approved and identifiable as a ball
listed in the “approved bowling ball” list located on the
Specifications and Certifications page on www.bowl.com.
Additionally, for identification purposes, each ball must
have some form of serial number (this may be engraved or
re-engraved by the bowler). Since all bowling balls manufactured
prior to the creation of the ball list (January 1991)
have been previously approved, the acceptance of these
balls is at the discretion of the tournament director and/or
league official.

My interpretation of the rule is that you are always able to re-engrave the serial number on the ball should it be removed by ball refinishing, ball damage, or being drilled out of the ball.  Hope this helps!
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BrunsNick

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Re: Serial #'s
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2006, 07:48:47 PM »
I understand that you can engrave a new #, but why let it come to that point?

Kind of a hassle for the customer and pro shop.
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Jeff Ussery

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Re: Serial #'s
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2006, 08:23:12 PM »
Not sure.  Guess that's a question for the Ebonite/Hammer designers.  I do understand the bowler's concern with their new purchase.
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Re: Serial #'s
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2006, 08:25:33 PM »
there have been strange things to come from ebonite/hammer, like that stupid sticker that comes on the infinate one(probably more, but thats what I see them on) its not like a tire that you can wear it off, you need to peel it off than get the freakin glue off aswell, the most hassle Ive had to go threw from a NIB ball lol.
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Re: Serial #'s
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2006, 08:45:22 PM »
quote:

So are there some BW's that have a deep serial number???, since from all of the ones I saw, they are very very shallow!

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Re: Serial #'s
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2006, 07:51:45 AM »
Yes, we have changed our serial number process. Why did we change process?  We did this for several reasons. First, with the mandated addition of the "USBC" to the serial number, we feared our old process would cause even more problems for those ball drillers who use vacuum on their drills. The new serial number would certainly be an improvement to them. Second, we wanted to tie the ball serial number to our label system and bar-coding. This is called total serialization control. Now, as the label is generated all of the information on that ball is captured in our ERP system. You can call us with a ball serial number now and we can tell you when that ball was made, the top weight, gross weight, pin distance, to whom it was originally shipped and the exact time of the exact day it was shipped. Inventory control and supply chain management is a very important part of our business. This serial number process change is yet another positive step for Ebonite in that area. Third, we wanted to get a cleaner, sharper look to the serial so we went to a new technology. This is our first experience with this technology but we are learning fast. Like always, we work hard at improving our improvements. I can't think of a single aspect of our product line that we aren't currently working on to improve. The serial number is just one.
Honestly, we have had some process problems with the new technology but we are working hard on learning and improving it.  Right now we are able to get a depth of 0.030” deep.  We have had some around 0.010” but that is not where we want to be.  Just this week we have identified three things that will improve our serial number process.  
Our goal is to improve our serial and logo process by getting the depth to 0.050". This would mean if a person resurfaced a ball enough times for a 0.050" logo or serial to disappear the ball would be illegal (according to USBC) in size anyway. They key is keeping the same sharp look without increasing costs.
Our mantra at Ebonite is continuous improvement. It's what we do. We work hard at improving those things that are important to you. We listen, so thank you for the comments.
Sincerely,
Brian L. Hickey
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Re: Serial #'s
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2006, 11:17:33 AM »
Brian,

Good response and explanation.  Where else are you going to get a top level empolyee of a ball manufacturer respond to relevant questions?  

No guessing or other inuendo.  Nice job!!!!

Love The One from last year and going to try a No Mercy this year.  I'm impressed with Ebonite's and Hammer's equipment the last couple of years.
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Re: Serial #'s
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2006, 11:24:53 AM »
Thank you for the info, Brian.
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Re: Serial #'s
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2006, 07:18:06 PM »
Thank You Mr. Brian for the response.  I cannot speak for everyone else, but that was a great read....there is much more to bowling ball design and production than just design a weight block and shell....then put them together.

Thanks again,
Chris Heringer
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