Post by: chitown on March 14, 2007, 04:22:22 PM
I'm just curious that's why i'm making this post. I love the NO MERCY. This ball is fantastic!
I have 2 of them and both have the #6 layout. I just have them at different cover preps. One is at 4000 grit and the other 1000 grit.
I'm thinking of buying a 3rd NO MERCY and putting one of the control layouts on it. This ball is absolutely amazing!
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HAMMER NO MERCY is Un-freaking real! Using this ball is like cheating!
Edited on 3/15/2007 0:56 AM
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on March 15, 2007, 12:24:04 AM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on March 15, 2007, 12:34:55 AM
I will post feedback once I get somes games on it.
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Post by: chitown on March 15, 2007, 12:40:31 AM
Sixcranker, I see this ball being versatile and able to use it on many different conditions. Of course hand position changes need to be made to allow it to be used on different conditions.
This ball matches up with me better than any bowling ball i've ever owned!
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HAMMER NO MERCY is Un-freaking real! Using this ball is like cheating!
Post by: scotts33 on March 15, 2007, 12:54:02 AM
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Post by: chitown on March 15, 2007, 12:58:38 AM
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Owned one. Condition specific basic opinion from others I see roll it. Decent ball Black Widow more overall ball.
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Scott, i'm surprised that your didn't work out for you. I know we have talked about this before. I have owned 2 BW's and feel the NM is much stronger overall. The BW has a big back end but doesn't have the mid-lane that the NM has.
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HAMMER NO MERCY is Un-freaking real! Using this ball is like cheating!
Post by: scotts33 on March 15, 2007, 01:03:57 AM
I am NOT dissing Hammer. I believe Hammer BW is more overall a ball and can be used on different conditions. NM is more specific.....probably why you don't see them on tour much. More a THS walled up beaucoup oil in mids ball. Works great on that which is why Hammer released it for the THB. Least that's my opinion.
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Post by: chitown on March 15, 2007, 01:28:17 AM
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chi,
I am NOT dissing Hammer. I believe Hammer BW is more overall a ball and can be used on different conditions. NM is more specific.....probably why you don't see them on tour much. More a THS walled up beaucoup oil in mids ball. Works great on that which is why Hammer released it for the THB. Least that's my opinion.
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Scott
Scott I don't care if you dis Hammer. I'm not brand loyal, I just like the few Hammers I have.
I have had 2 BW's and currently have 2 NM's. When I had my BW's I had one of my NM's. I threw them both side by side. Both had the same pin to pap distance.
I rolled both of these balls on the same lane conditions. The BW has less mid-lane and a big back end. The NM has a strong mid-lane and big back end. My NM was a lot more controllable than my BW. On the difficult patterns my NM outperformed the BW. The BW was harder to control on the back end.
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HAMMER NO MERCY is Un-freaking real! Using this ball is like cheating!
Edited on 3/15/2007 1:29 AM
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on March 15, 2007, 02:52:43 AM
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What drilling did you put on it, Carl?
Drilling #1.
I am probably going to redrill it with the pin further from PAP and keep the "heart" in about the same position. I think the surface adjustment will help though. I will post more when I have had a chance to throw it more.
-Carl
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Post by: six pack on March 15, 2007, 07:05:48 AM
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Post by: WDE on March 15, 2007, 05:09:21 PM
The ball is very high maintenance, and the cover tracks up very quickly, which is apparently fine for many.
Overall, I'm not satisfied with dropping that kind of loot on a ball that wears out so quickly. Carry and overall hook are nowhere near when I got the ball. My money will better spent in the future on balls that will last longer, and therefore be used more in practice, giving me more confidence when it matters. Three such balls that I have owned are the Hammer Big Deal, Legends NS2, and Legends World Class particle. I have bowled hundreds of games more on my World Class than my No Mercy, and it's reaction is much closer to new than my No Mercy, with much less maintenance.
For a new ball, I was looking at a TNV, how can you not after watching Couch and Allen throwing them on TV? But after what I hear about Ebonite's recent product's short lives, I am instantly turned off. For my next med-heavy oil ball, I'll be looking at the Legends Black Pearl or LM Terminator. From my experience, using a class resins and going coverstock solid to the core DOES make a difference, and with all their technological breakthroughs, Ebonite/Hammer would do well to try to build a more durable product.
Post by: toomanytenpins on March 15, 2007, 11:10:40 PM
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Post by: chitown on March 16, 2007, 01:07:18 AM
I really like the NO MERCY. For me this ball is money! I have two of them right now and there the only balls I want to roll. I know that's not always wise but the ball is versatile as long as there some oil.
I do agree that this ball needs a lot of maintenance. This is not a big deal to me because I have a ball spinner and take good care of my equipment. The performance of the NO MERCY more than makes up for the high maintenance.
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HAMMER NO MERCY is Un-freaking real! Using this ball is like cheating!
Post by: chitown on March 16, 2007, 01:52:45 AM
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Chi, not trying to hijack but i've got a question myself. where is the MB supposed to be located in relation to the HART? i know the HART is not the actual MB, but its something like 1/4 from it?
i ask because i know a lefty who had one drilled and he's flaring over every hole. hell, i threw it lefty for 2 shots and i rolled over every hole. not cool.
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Bud I wish I knew the actual answer to this. I have heard that the actual MB is like 4" to 6" away from the HART. I'm not sure though.
I have the #6 layout on mine. This has the pin above the bridge and HART 1" left of my thumb (i'm a right hander). Then my other NM has the same exact layout but the HART is 3/4" left of thumb. I just have them at different cover preps.
I would shoot an E-mail to Hammer to find out why your buddy is tracking over the holes.
The only thing I know for usre is this ball, with this layout, is an absolute beast for me. It's got a strong mid-lane and very strong arc on the back end.
The NO MERCY is the best bowling ball i've ever owned. I plan on buying several more of these balls in the near future. I'm going to experiment with some of the other layouts. I will not put the pin anywhere but above the bridge between the fingers. I had a NM with the pin in a stronger position but it was way too strong for my style. So i'm going to put the pin above the bridge and experiment with different HART placements. I just have to win some more cash at league to help pay for more of them.
I wish I could help you out with your question but that's all I have on this.
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HAMMER NO MERCY is Un-freaking real! Using this ball is like cheating!
Post by: six pack on March 16, 2007, 07:26:22 AM
I love mine and wish it would work for me on a lighter shot with carrydown but it won't so I only get to use it in one of the two centers I bowl in.I hope Hammer comes out with a pearl particle with this core in it but I doubt it,maybe a longer pin to pap distance would help get the ball down the lane with some pop would work?I feel that's the reason why so many peps had problems with this ball not hooking for them,the ball was probably just burning up in the heads and roll'n flat into the pins.that's basicly the reaction I get in my other house I bowl in.
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Post by: Nodsleinad on March 16, 2007, 07:34:28 AM
Nod
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Post by: DukeHarding on March 16, 2007, 08:25:13 AM
As you well know....Youshould buy 3 cases of NMs.
I've never seen anyone match up with a ball as well as you do.
You know how mine was drilled, and my results with the ball.
The #1 drilling was probably not a good drilling for me.
You can no longer use the NM when we get together...
Unless you give me pins.
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Post by: chitown on March 16, 2007, 09:11:22 AM
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Frank,
As you well know....Youshould buy 3 cases of NMs.
I've never seen anyone match up with a ball as well as you do.
You know how mine was drilled, and my results with the ball.
The #1 drilling was probably not a good drilling for me.
You can no longer use the NM when we get together...
Unless you give me pins.
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Rich, I may buy 3 cases of this ball
This ball with the #6 layout is just a controllable beast for me. Rich, the #6 layout would have worked better for your game.
Give you pins! Are you nuts!
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HAMMER NO MERCY is Un-freaking real! Using this ball is like cheating!
Post by: Necromancer on March 16, 2007, 09:25:59 AM
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Current Arsenal (http://"http://s132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/mikecart1/Bowling%20Arsenal/")
Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Storm Trauma ER
Storm Recharge
Ebonite Vortex Afterburner
Columbia 300 Messenger Ti
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Total Season Average: 204.756
2007 Year Average: 211.620
2007 Tournament Average: 150.333
The Vertigo is the best ball Storm ever made. Find one if you can.
I might have the strongest drilled Black Widow in history.
Post by: chitown on March 16, 2007, 12:46:18 PM
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Is it better than the Black Widow? I think after my back-to-back 265-256 game earlier this week, Hammer may take over Storm in my arsenal.
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Current Arsenal (http://"http://s132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/mikecart1/Bowling%20Arsenal/")
Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Storm Trauma ER
Storm Recharge
Ebonite Vortex Afterburner
Columbia 300 Messenger Ti
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Total Season Average: 204.756
2007 Year Average: 211.620
2007 Tournament Average: 150.333
The Vertigo is the best ball Storm ever made. Find one if you can.
I might have the strongest drilled Black Widow in history.
I feel the NM is a lot better than the BW. I have owned 2 BW's and ended up trading them in. My NM's can cover everything my BW's did.
Now I do feel that the BW would have been better for me with a different layout. I can't put the MB in the strong position on asymmetrical bowling balls like I had on my BW's. It makes controlling the break point too hard.
I bowl on difficult patterns all the time so Controlling the breakpoint is paramount. I know that for some bowlers it's fun to watch big sudden changes in direction on the back end. That's not for me. I care about rolling strikes on all conditions. A strong powerful arc reaction is what i'm looking for. Many Hammer bowling balls have this type of reaction. The NM(for sure), PAIN, DOOM and BW (if drilled correctly). Of course each of these balls reactions are a little different from each other but you get the gist of what i'm saying.
The NM has a strong mid-lane and very powerful arc on the back end. Plus it's hit and carry is just plain sick!
The PAIN has a very strong mid-lane read and less back end punch compared to the NM but is a very good ball on tough lane patterns.
The DOOM is one of a kind. You wont find many reactive pearls that are controllable and strong at the same time. The DOOM has a decent mid-lane read and a strong back end but it's controllable. Great ball for difficult lane conditions. The DOOM is a good ball to have for tourney's.
So to answer your question. I feel the NM is a much better bowling ball than the BW. However I do feel the BW, if drilled correctly, can be a beast on certain patterns.
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HAMMER NO MERCY is Un-freaking real! Using this ball is like cheating!
Edited on 3/16/2007 12:52 PM
Post by: keeones23 on March 16, 2007, 12:48:05 PM
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Post by: Necromancer on March 16, 2007, 02:02:19 PM
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Current Arsenal (http://"http://s132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/mikecart1/Bowling%20Arsenal/")
Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Storm Trauma ER
Storm Recharge
Ebonite Vortex Afterburner
Columbia 300 Messenger Ti
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Total Season Average: 204.756
2007 Year Average: 211.620
2007 Tournament Average: 150.333
The Vertigo is the best ball Storm ever made. Find one if you can.
I might have the strongest drilled Black Widow in history.
Post by: pjr300 on March 16, 2007, 03:00:06 PM
I am on my 3rd Black Widow and they have have been great... even thinking about a 4th right now in a 45* layout. Love the down-lane spahe it provides me. Gonna try polishing up one of these balls (Beans Sauce just arrived) to get some length when the midlane blows up.
I've had two No Mercys -- the first was #1 but the HART was only about 1/2" left of thumb and the ball was a total dud for me (yes, everything was in a line).
My 2nd one (purchased used from the board) is a modified #1 with the pin about 1.5" above the ring and the HART about 1 1/2" left of thumb and it's a monster. I have only used it a few times, mostly in practice. I've had a 280 and a 290 in about 6 games with it! The hit and carry is unbelievable with this ball.
I'd like to find a layout for another NM that would work for me when the midlane blows up... just in case the polished Black Widow doesn't do the jub.
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Post by: Necromancer on March 16, 2007, 03:05:53 PM
What do you think of that video? Can anyone see any major difference between the 2 balls? I like how they consider that heavy oil. Give me a break. I wish videos would be more honest. I would also like to see a ball on true HEAVY OIL and not this fabled oil pattern that people with no revs or power can't hook on. This video was pure comedy especially when they compared the NM to the BW. If they didn't tell me which was which, I wouldn't be able to tell.
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Current Arsenal (http://"http://s132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/mikecart1/Bowling%20Arsenal/")
Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Storm Trauma ER
Storm Recharge
Ebonite Vortex Afterburner
Columbia 300 Messenger Ti
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Total Season Average: 204.756
2007 Year Average: 211.620
2007 Tournament Average: 150.333
The Vertigo is the best ball Storm ever made. Find one if you can.
I might have the strongest drilled Black Widow in history.
Post by: laufaye on March 16, 2007, 03:11:51 PM
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Chi, not trying to hijack but i've got a question myself. where is the MB supposed to be located in relation to the HART? i know the HART is not the actual MB, but its something like 1/4 from it?
i ask because i know a lefty who had one drilled and he's flaring over every hole. hell, i threw it lefty for 2 shots and i rolled over every hole. not cool.
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There are 39 boards on a lane, crossing 38 of them doesn't make you good....it makes you a moron.
¡Viva la Nación de Brunswick!
The Hart os on the Z axis, the actual MB is on the Y axis, so if you draw a lint from the pin to the Hart and go 6 3/4 left and 6 3/4 right from the Hart thats the MB. This info was verified over the phone with Ron Hickland, hope this helped.
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Post by: chitown on March 17, 2007, 12:10:22 AM
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The Hart os on the Z axis, the actual MB is on the Y axis, so if you draw a lint from the pin to the Hart and go 6 3/4 left and 6 3/4 right from the Hart thats the MB. This info was verified over the phone with Ron Hickland, hope this helped.
Thanks for this info bud. I wasn't sure how far the actual MB was.
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HAMMER NO MERCY is Un-freaking real! Using this ball is like cheating!
Edited on 3/17/2007 0:13 AM
Post by: chitown on March 17, 2007, 12:13:29 AM
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What do you think of that video? Can anyone see any major difference between the 2 balls? I like how they consider that heavy oil. Give me a break. I wish videos would be more honest. I would also like to see a ball on true HEAVY OIL and not this fabled oil pattern that people with no revs or power can't hook on. This video was pure comedy especially when they compared the NM to the BW. If they didn't tell me which was which, I wouldn't be able to tell.
It the conditions there bowling on. I have bowled on conditions where every ball in my bag seemed to roll almost the same.
The BW has less mid-lane read than the NM. The NM hooks more overall. I know it's hard to tell in the buddy's vids but that's the reality.
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HAMMER NO MERCY is Un-freaking real! Using this ball is like cheating!