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Equipment Boards => Hammer => Topic started by: FastTracker33 on July 17, 2006, 02:01:40 PM

Title: now why is this???...
Post by: FastTracker33 on July 17, 2006, 02:01:40 PM
http://bowlersparadise.com/

look at the front headline and you'll know what i mean..

well that's sad
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Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: DanH78 on July 17, 2006, 10:16:11 PM
$300 for two balls ain't a bad deal.  I still wouldn't want an Elite ball
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Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: ImaRedbird on July 17, 2006, 10:29:25 PM
i wonder what hammer has to say about this?
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Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on July 17, 2006, 10:36:58 PM
Yea I got the email about this, and was going to post it, but didn't.  I wouldn't mind having the Hawgzilla, but I don't want the Elite...so instead of paying $300, I'll pay $130-$150 and call it a day.

What they should do is just give away all the PBA pattern balls.  If the pros don't even use them...well....
Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: ImaRedbird on July 17, 2006, 11:06:40 PM
Mr. Voss does.
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Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: dizzyfugu on July 17, 2006, 11:14:38 PM
This is sick... money talking.

Best would be playing the Zilla and sell the Ultimate Inf... er, Shark on ebay. Some looney will still pay $200 for it, thinking it was great stuff (beyond the badge).

I really wonder how Hammer is involved and their point of view on this. I would not be happy with it...
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Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: ImaRedbird on July 17, 2006, 11:15:57 PM
someone from hammer should chime in right about now. jason, brian, ed,
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Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: jkiser01 on July 17, 2006, 11:16:56 PM
I cannot see anyway Hammer would be happy with this promotion. They are basically saying the ball is a POS by giving it away for free..
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Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: ImaRedbird on July 17, 2006, 11:22:05 PM
unless hammer cut a deal wit elite/bowlersparadise, in which they could get in on the profits, because the sales of the elite products are low and elite needs a way to funnel it's expenses. BUT ID BE SHOCKED OUT MY SOCKS if that were true. Somebody needs to say something b4 speculations begin, to clear this up.

Give us the truth whether we like it or not, but knowing hammer and the Great company it is, im sure and hopeful they had nothing to do wit this. especially since im a hammerhead and i wanna believe in one of my fav companies.
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Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: Speedburner89 on July 17, 2006, 11:26:13 PM
sorry to hijack, ImaRedbird, would you like to meet up with us at arlington lanes in arlington heights on august 12th for the 2nd official BR northern illinois get together?
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Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: FastTracker33 on July 17, 2006, 11:33:35 PM
i really thought this was insane.. that's why i posted it. now everyone knows the Hawg Zilla is probably just as good or even better than the Ultimate Shark.. i mean PBA Shark ball
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Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: chitown on July 18, 2006, 12:47:41 AM
You know I wonder how long it will be when Elite goes bankrupt?  I have never seen anyone use there balls.  I mean never!

This ad just makes me want the hawgzilla even more.  From all of the ball company's out there they chose Hammer.  Have to like that.
Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: Troyboy on July 18, 2006, 08:53:03 AM
OK another thing to take into perspective, is this is 100 balls that hammer sold to Bowlersparadise... They can do what they want with the balls.  If they feel like giving them away is the best thing then so be it.  All you Hammer bowlers, should be happy... This is another way to get bowlers that aren't throwing hammer equipment. To throw some of the hammer stuff.  Actually this is a HUGE risk for Bowers paradise.  Buy giving people the chance to try another good ball, they stand a chance to loose business.  Not everyone will match up with the Shark... Some of the people who do this promo will like the Hawgzilla better.  To me it almost looks like the idea behind this advertisement is to see what ball hooks more boards, not what ball is the better ball.


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Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: anotherwindup on July 18, 2006, 09:41:24 AM
Been away from the site for a while.  
This is the first I have seen of this.  
I will shoot a mail to my DSM and BG, and see if they "know" about it.  

I will let you know what I find out.  



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Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: ImaRedbird on July 18, 2006, 10:17:27 AM
I think i just don't like the advertisment, but im a business major so of course i know that it's about money and marketing, but whats the kick is it says "Hammer claims is their "most aggressive ball ever made"" as if hammer is seeming to be a liar. It's jus the wording that gets me.  but it's business
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Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: cnimsk on July 18, 2006, 01:51:29 PM
Is Elite made by Brunswick?

Chuck
Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: CoachJim on July 18, 2006, 02:15:45 PM
I would just like enough oil on the lanes to think about throwing either of these balls.

I think the situation was something like this:

Bowlersparadice.com manager: Why do we still have all of these Shark Balls on the shelves? I thought they would sell like hot cakes.

Stock Guy: Well they run for $300+ and use old technology with particles added to make them unusable on most conditions except for an extreme flood.

Manager: How much did Brunswick charge us to make these boat nostalgic anchors?

Stock Guy: Brunswick charges us $275

Manager: Holy Crap! We can't even give them away at those prices. Maybe we can drum up some customer base if we give these away with one of the other latest and greatest balls on the shelf as a comparison and this way if we give away 100 of these we at least get some money back and maybe sell some more of them, God knows we have a ton of them gathering dust here. (I know I'm taking poetic lisence with the fact that the Manager could come up with a plan like this, it was probably the guy sweeping up who over heard their conversation)

Stock Guy: I'll get right on it, though don't you think we should give the Latest and greatest ball away and sell the Elite ball making it more attractive?

Manager: Great idea Johnson, put yourself down for a raise.

Stock Guy: It's Schwartz sir...

The End.

Edited on 7/18/2006 2:13 PM
Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: Xfest on July 18, 2006, 03:36:39 PM
i kinda like the idea..

the pba shark was a ball i thought would be pretty good, and the hawg zilla i heard was pretty good as well..

i might try it out.
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Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: FastTracker33 on July 18, 2006, 03:52:13 PM
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Ronald Hickland is correct when saying Hammer is not involved with this promotion.

Our reason for choosing the Hammer Hawg Zilla is because of its buzz and the fact that it is Hammers most aggressive ball. We are extremely confident that the Hawg Zilla is a fantastic performing ball and would like to see how the PBA Shark stacks up against it. This is a simple promotion that gathers information and lets the public share their opinion.

This package is limited to 100 balls and the results will be posted when the 100 questionnaires are returned.


Nick Melnikoff
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Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: 302efi on July 18, 2006, 03:55:12 PM
Off topic but...

Godzilla would whip azz on Jaws any day !!!

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Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: FastTracker33 on July 18, 2006, 04:04:40 PM
Jaws is the size of Godzilla's toe.. myabe Jaws can cut Zilla's toe nails
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Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: Xfest on July 18, 2006, 04:09:43 PM
lol..

i may think about doing this,

if they would of done this with like their 168$ balls, i would of done it.

i might still even do it now.. 300$ for two balls, not a bad deal.
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Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: stanski on July 18, 2006, 10:12:28 PM
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Stock Guy: Brunswick charges us $275







I really doubt brunswick even charges $175 for the balls, seeing as morich can sell them for $130-140.

What kills me is the list price. $609.98... ha..ha

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Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: Housebowler on July 18, 2006, 11:27:01 PM
I am anxious to see how many off the "FIRST 100 PEOPLE" to buy will post. I have to question Nick from Elite, will you post ALL the results from the "test", because if you are really wanting to sell BOTH balls, I think I would have to let the public read all responses. Just my humble thoughts, but I know on my THS both of these balls better be shined!
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Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: CoachJim on July 19, 2006, 04:57:41 AM
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What kills me is the list price. $609.98... ha..ha


That price was during the buy three get one deal.
Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on July 19, 2006, 12:07:00 PM
The solid black Elite ball seems pretty sweet.  It's a bit pricey though.  Especially since Storm has the Dark Thunder.
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Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on July 19, 2006, 12:09:29 PM
Oh and on the actual subject:

Hammer should be happy that people are going to get free Hawg Zillas.  They get their stuff out there for nothing.  If the balls perform similarly, but at drastically different prices...  Hammer wins.
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Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: cnimsk on July 19, 2006, 12:11:33 PM
Even if they are close, Hammer wins.

Elite is vastly overpriced. More so then any other company on the market today. Even Lane1.

This is a winning situation for Hammer.

Chuck
Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on July 19, 2006, 12:35:21 PM
Yeah I don't think people will shell out that much for one ball when they could almost pay for two other balls for the same price.  I guess that is the point of this competition.  You get two balls for that price.

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Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: SKC on July 19, 2006, 12:51:59 PM


Just wondering.. What's up with all the Inferno-references? In my opinion the Shark doesn't look anything like any of the Inferno's..


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Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: DanH78 on July 19, 2006, 01:20:45 PM
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Just wondering.. What's up with all the Inferno-references? In my opinion the Shark doesn't look anything like any of the Inferno's..


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Elite won't call it the same, but I believe speculation is that the coverstock on the Shark is the Coverstock used on the heavy oil inferno
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Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on July 19, 2006, 01:47:13 PM
Supposedly, Elite balls are Brunswick balls without the horrid appearance.


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Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on July 19, 2006, 02:39:12 PM
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Not supposedly, they ARE.


Ok, then they ARE.


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Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: SKC on July 19, 2006, 02:50:16 PM
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Not supposedly, they ARE.


I'm well aware of that..

I was just thinking bout the Shark.. And eventhough if the cover was the same it would still be wrong to call it an Ultimate Inferno.. Don't say such horrid things and smudge the name of a good ball like the UI..


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Edited on 7/19/2006 2:46 PM
Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: DanR on July 20, 2006, 01:08:49 PM
How about this is a way for them to get rid of all the Elite balls?  The core in the Shark is nothing new, an order Brunswick core so the ball probably cosr not more than a midprice ball.  By selling both balls for $300.00 they will sell their stock of the HawgZilla and also get rid of the Elite at their cost price plus a few dollars profit.
Good idea to get rid of junk
Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: DanR on July 20, 2006, 01:09:13 PM
How about this is a way for them to get rid of all the Elite balls?  The core in the Shark is nothing new, an order Brunswick core so the ball probably cosr not more than a midprice ball.  By selling both balls for $300.00 they will sell their stock of the HawgZilla and also get rid of the Elite at their cost price plus a few dollars profit.
Good idea to get rid of junk
Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: DanR on July 20, 2006, 01:09:42 PM
How about this is a way for them to get rid of all the Elite balls?  The core in the Shark is nothing new, an order Brunswick core so the ball probably cosr not more than a midprice ball.  By selling both balls for $300.00 they will sell their stock of the HawgZilla and also get rid of the Elite at their cost price plus a few dollars profit.
Good idea to get rid of junk
Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: azus on July 20, 2006, 05:06:04 PM
Elite should match the Shark against the Passion.
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Title: Re: now why is this???...
Post by: azus on July 20, 2006, 05:16:15 PM
Btw DanR..Triple posters must die!
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