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Nicanor

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Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« on: October 12, 2008, 05:02:53 AM »
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Re: Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2008, 01:08:19 PM »
A good friend of mine got a bite this summer.  He shot out of his mind with it for about 3-4 weeks.

  Then, he started asking silly little questions like "Do the lanes seem slick to you tonight?" or "I wonder if they've changed the shot lately?". I got to watching him and it was plain to see that the ball reaction had changed from a hard charging finish to a weaker, "almost" type of finish.

  I mentioned this to him and told him to have the ball "rejuvenated" and refinished.  He claimed he did, but it was never like it was brand new OOB.

 He got rid of it.
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Re: Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2008, 01:13:01 PM »
Hammer wants you to buy another...then another...and another...then yet another.

Pretty good way to stay in business, huh ?


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Re: Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2008, 01:17:24 PM »
Total BS.  I've got two and got are still hooking plenty.  I drilled them both last year and I don't clean my equip but once a month...


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Re: Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2008, 01:19:16 PM »
Mine is still going strong. None of the ones I've drilled have had any problems either. If you want to get rid of it, let me know.
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Re: Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2008, 01:46:16 PM »
You see AZGUY and Agroves,  There are different opinions and different bowling styles and different amounts of bowling knowledge.  I played my shot and was consistant in the beginning of the season averaging 219, I know how to read a lane condition and I know when a ball is losing its ball reaction.  I could and I have moved right to get the Bite into the drier quicker and it had potential, but the ball lost a major amount of its ability to play in oil.  If I remember correctly, it was suppose to handle a fair amount of oil.  It use to be a great swing ball, now I probably can use it as a down and in ball on the same condition.  The Street Rod soild handles oil better then the Bite does now.

So say what you want, but I bet if you're honest you will tell us you had to move right for RH and left for LH if you use the ball in oil for any period of time.




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Re: Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2008, 01:53:02 PM »
Nicanor, I didn't say a thing about you, your style or moving. All I said was mine was going strong.

Mine, just to humor you, I move very little, but then we probably don't have the same style or oil, I don't know about your conditions.

Sorry I just commented on your post, I sure won't do that any more. Have a Good Weekend.
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Re: Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2008, 01:58:51 PM »
mine died too.  it happens.  it was the first ball to ever die on me.  sanded, resurfaced, hot water bath, rejuvinator, oven, etc. etc. etc.....didnt help any.  it happens.

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Re: Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2008, 02:00:34 PM »
So since their bowling balls still work (for any reason, probably better ball maintenance) they know less about bowling than yourself? Cool.

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Re: Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2008, 02:04:51 PM »
azguy,

Sorry if my response to your post soured you to reading or responding to my posts.  It was not my intent.  I read, though do not respond to many of your post. I know that we all have different bowling styles and knowledge, but whats good about Ballreviews is that we can state our opinion, agree or disagree and move on like the big boys we are.  

After bowling for a couple of years with Pchee2, I know how one bowler can swing the lane with a starter ball and the other bowlers can't swing half the lane.  I've seen Pchee2 swing the ball coast to coast of soome fried lanes, then throw a frozen rope down the 10 board and just kill the pins on the same lanes.  I'm more of a visual bowler.  I try to see the balls path.  So when I throw a ball from week to week (I also keep my bowling balls very clean)and I can see the ball losing reaction and having to move further right until I don't like the balls path anymore and change bowling balls.

So let others have their opinion and by all means keep yours, but let me have mine.

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Re: Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2008, 02:28:03 PM »
The reason I don't have a Bite: the BW solid.

That ball died within 30 games. I'm going to drill it to roll earlier, but I already had it on a pretty strong layout.

I keep it sanded just to get it to move. Definitely a downer. That ball died so fast, when it was one of the greatest I owned to start with. Now, I don't ever throw it but once a month.

Glad to hear I'm making the right choice by not having one, although a huge part of me still wants to try it out.
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Re: Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2008, 02:38:36 PM »
there is no use posting any stories or experiences on this site, no matter who you are, or what you know there is always some die hard that will say "no way ball x died" "no way ball x doesn't hook off the lane" IMHO, and experience yes, hammer/ebonite/track/c300 balls are do wear out quicker than balls out of any other plant in production today. Let the bashing continue.....
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Re: Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2008, 02:45:54 PM »
If you read some of my posts about the Bite a couple of months ago, I couldn't say enough good things about the ball.  I got the Bite regardless that I had a bad experience with 3 Black Widow solids.  If I had the same reaction now that I had a couple of months ago, I would sing the praises of the ball.  I wish I kept it for tournaments only, but I used it for pot bowling as well.

I see why professional bowlers change bowling balls so much.  I know that they change sometimes just for the minutest (sp) amount of pin/cg or mb changes.  But they also change to keep the same ball reaction.  Consistant ball reaction is critical when your at that level but I can't afford to change bowling balls every 30-40 games.  If I could though, I would have a truck load of Bites because when it was relatively new, it carried the house and was extremely versatile.


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Re: Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2008, 08:48:29 PM »
Your ball is not usless.   I am a Pro and here is an explination that describes what happens to equipment.
 There are two types of plasticizers used in balls, those that are free to migrate and those that are in fixed position. The majority of those that are free to migrate are pretty much out of the ball after 30 - 50 games. Those that are fixed cannot migrate unless the ball chemistry begins to degrade possibly from heat or chemistries used on the ball. The fixed ones have some effect on the performance of the ball until the surface of the ball is contaminated with grime. What rejuvenator or hot water treatments do is to force the lane oil out of the ball that has been absorbed into the coverstock via the pores in the coverstock. When the pores in the ball become saturated with lane oil you have what is called "ball death". The oil inhibits the ball's coverstock ability to grip the lane. When these balls are left to set for long periods, what happens is that the oil leaves the surface of the ball either by evaporation or by migrating deeper into the balls core. This leave the pores in a condition where they are again able to absorb oil as when the ball was new and allow the coverstock to better grip the lane surface. A resurfacing of the ball to eliminate surface grime at the same time will bring the ball performance almost back to original. I say almost because over time the chemistry of the ball cover will change and ever so gradually loose its original coeficient of friction properties. Also, over time and use, the pores will eventually become permanently plugged. The onslaught of ball death is governed by how porous the cover is, how much oil the ball encounters in use, how well the ball surface is wiped free of oil, and how frequently the ball is cleaned immediately after use. Oil removal procedures will also have an effect.

Keep a vigorus cleaning regeme and you will not experience this problem with reaction.

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Re: Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2008, 09:15:11 PM »
Thank you for your response BubbaRay.  But does the plastizers have anything to do with friction?  I think it does.  So if you lose 30-50 percent of the plastizers with 30-40 games, aren't you losing a substantial amount of the moving plastizers that helps with friction?


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