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Nicanor

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Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« on: October 12, 2008, 05:02:53 AM »
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Re: Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2008, 09:26:50 PM »
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=204580&ForumID=73&CategoryID=2

I'll not bother to bump the topic since few would stay on topic, but it sums up my feelings about covers poured by Ebonite.  Some are great, some not as much so.  Again, this is how I feel, I don't have any proof.  BTW, I haven't used my Bite since my summer PBA league, but it was still going strong (well, as strong as it ever was when new) when I last used it.
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Re: Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2008, 09:39:37 PM »
Just to clarify things a bit.  In no way did this experience turn my friend off of hammer stuff. Just after the experience with the bite, he bought a venom, a psycho, and an emerald vibe.

  He really likes hammer stuff and said that the bite was the only hammer he ever had any problem with, but his did die while nothing else in his bag did, and he does the same maintenance on all of his stuff.
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Re: Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2008, 09:46:46 PM »
The Widows die. Some are more fortunate then others, but these balls just don't last. I know quite a few people around here who have had Sold/Pearl/Bite die on them in a minimum amount of games. I shot close to 1,600 for 6 with a BWP that wasn't mine and never bothered to drill one because of the bad luck people have with them.
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Re: Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2008, 09:55:46 PM »
I've got a ton of games on my BW Solid, and it's still very strong.

My stuff is cleaned before it goes back in the locker. My BW Solid, Bite, etc. have had NO loss of reaction.

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Re: Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2008, 10:30:47 PM »
I had no luck with the Solid or the Pearl, but I have quite a few games with the Blue Vibe and I don't think that I lost any reaction with regards to the Blue Vibe.  The Anger, No Mercy Beat'n and the Widows, I had no luck with, except the Bite for about 40 games.

I don't know why some bowlers don't experience the problems with the ball death, but I know we use to have the same discussion with Columbia bowling balls a few years back.  Even then we had those who truly believed in the ball death syndrome and those who never had a problem.  I can't talk about others experience, only mine and I believe the Ebonite took the place of the Columbia ball death syndrome.






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Re: Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2008, 10:39:38 PM »
Just from my experiences the ones I had didn't die out on me. I just cleaned regularly and then from time to time refinished the ball and have no complaints and no ball death.
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Re: Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2008, 02:09:20 AM »
I agree with the comment about the Widow line losing reaction quicker than other lines from Hammer. I've thrown a Black Widow Bite, No Mercy, Anger, Psycho, Toxic, Pain (admittedly the Pain cracked 3 weeks after I got it from my friend, so no real base to judge it.) The Bite was by far the most sensitive to cover breakdown, or oil absorption.

I've had my No Mercy for over a year now and I've only put it through the Hook Again chamber once and it still hooks a decent amount on the backend whenever I throw the ball. However, in the 8 months I've had my Bite, I've had it resurfaced 3-4 times, put through the Hook Again 4-5 times all because of a notable decline in backend after say 40-45 games. Probably due to the more aggressive coverstock, but for the average bowler, this kind of maintenance can not be logically expected for a decent period of time. I like my Bite, but if my best friend asked me if he should get one, I'd tell him to get a different ball that doesn't require so much upkeep.

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Re: Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2008, 07:21:47 AM »
One of the main problems I see with this "ball death", is that simply doing oil extraction is not going to work by itself. Take the BWS for example. All coverstocks after a period of use will end up at about 600 grit. the BWS comes factory OOB at 4000. Bowling on a medium condition, this grit change in and of itself will cause a ball to lose reaction by burning up more on top of the oil absorbtion. Once the oil is extracted, the ball needs to be taken back up to in this case 4000 grit, as a 600 grit ball will not react like a 4000 grit ball on medium conditions. Ebonite/Hammer do have higher oil absorbtion coverstocks today, so this process does have to be done more often.
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Re: Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2008, 10:48:36 AM »
Nic: Like strider, I have a Bite. I like it, but I'm basically keeping it on the sideline for tournaments only. The ball has only 15-20 games total at this point, and no degradation in reaction.

I'm curious what maintenance regime you used:

1) Did you clean the ball after each set, and if so, what cleaner did you use?
2) Did you attempt any rejuvenation? (Revivor oven, hot water bath)
3) Did you attempt to resurface, bringing the surface up to 4000 Abralon?

Your input would be appreciated.

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Re: Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2008, 12:25:04 PM »
You can't quite call BS on this, because ball death does happen.  However, anyone that thinks a ball they buy is going to react the same 50 games in as it did when you first threw it is crazy.  

If you think about anything you buy new, it's always better than it would be after use.


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Re: Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2008, 02:59:49 PM »
I use a micro fiber towel during any set.  Then at home I use Hook-It with a little water on a 2000 Ablaron pad and finish with a 4000 Ablaron pad.  I have two Bites and both seem to go in the same direction.  I did not try a rejuvenation process but I will try a hot water soak with some dawn.




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Re: Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2008, 03:05:24 PM »
Interesting. Do you apply the Abralon pads by hand, or on the spinner?

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Re: Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2008, 03:25:23 PM »
I use a spinner at home, but I keep Ablaron pads in my bag so I can do it by hand at the lanes if needed.


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Re: Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« Reply #29 on: October 13, 2008, 03:54:22 PM »
The only thing I would do different is to do a through cleaning at the lanes before you put the Bite away. Waiting until you get home allows additional oil absorption.

I'd get it rejuvenated at the proshop and see if it makes any difference. No matter how much you clean it (even right away), it still gets saturated. I put my Dirty Bomb in the revivor oven over the weekend, and I couldn't believe how slimy the ball quickly got.

I have the Bite because I won it (using a Lane#1 ball ) and I am impressed with the backend. But I'm getting wary of all these accounts of Hammer/Ebonite drastically reduced reaction after relatively short usage. I don't need that in equipment.

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Re: Only the beginning of October, Bite already dead
« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2008, 04:01:47 PM »
I have a Black Widow Pearl with about 150 games on it.  It appeared to "die" on me in February after about 75 total games.  I cleaned my ball on the spinner, and let a little friction build on the towel that I used. The ball got warm to the touch, which I think helped get a little more oil out of it.  I finish the cleaning process by spraying water on the ball, and cleaning the ball cleaner off.  The ball then worked like new again.

You might want to give something like that a try.

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