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NO MERCY BEAT'N VIDEO!!!!!!!!!
« on: August 01, 2007, 03:15:26 PM »
This isn't me bowling. It's someone from another forum that I know.

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Re: NO MERCY BEAT'N VIDEO!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2007, 09:46:44 AM »
Maybe its just me but when the NMB was polished it appeared to die and roll out?


And why was this guy a "bad bowler"? If it was BrunsNick in the vid people would praising the vid and what not, but because it some average Joe (the people that make up the majority of the bowling population) he gets talked about. Sure he could use some fine tuning but who doesen't but to call him bad is a bit too much.

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Re: NO MERCY BEAT'N VIDEO!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2007, 09:52:46 AM »
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It suppost to mellow out the reaction down lane, make it more of an arc at the break point rather than angular/jumpy.
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Well, IMHO it mellows down everything about the ball, and the polsih seems to have worsened the reaction. I wonder what lane condition the whole thing was tested - maybe there was simply not enough oil for a good ball performance, anyway?

Nevertheless, a waste of resources. Get a weaker ball, drill it properly so that it can work, and have fun, and do not castrate high end stuff to behave like a wet donut. Makes no sense to me?

I do not get waht people find so fancy about so-called "trick layouts" since Ebonite had the TNV video on their website?
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Re: NO MERCY BEAT'N VIDEO!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2007, 10:57:54 AM »
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I do not get waht people find so fancy about so-called "trick layouts" since Ebonite had the TNV video on their website?



These "trick layouts" are nothing but Asym flip drills. Nothing new to anyone familiar with Morich gear.
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Re: NO MERCY BEAT'N VIDEO!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2007, 11:31:47 AM »
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It suppost to mellow out the reaction down lane, make it more of an arc at the break point rather than angular/jumpy.



I'm sure it has been mentioned but why not just buy a ball like that; with a mellow reaction down the lane?
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Re: NO MERCY BEAT'N VIDEO!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2007, 11:44:09 AM »
people think they need the newest and greatest thing out in order to score well when all it really takes is talent and a ball that matches up well with ther condition your on.
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Re: NO MERCY BEAT'N VIDEO!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2007, 03:21:38 PM »
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people think they need the newest and greatest thing out in order to score well when all it really takes is talent and a ball that matches up well with ther condition your on.
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Exactly !

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Re: NO MERCY BEAT'N VIDEO!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2007, 03:42:36 PM »
That no mercy trick layout is sexy. I want to drill one up like that. That is truly sexy. ahhhhhh.
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Re: NO MERCY BEAT'N VIDEO!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2007, 03:48:28 PM »
Every vid I see of this ball, makes the Anger look that much better!

I never saw many No Mercy's around here and I doubt I'll see many Beat'n(s) on the lanes either.


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Re: NO MERCY BEAT'N VIDEO!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2007, 09:20:49 PM »
Can anyone say ROLL OUT!!!!!

Why take a ball thats made to read the mids and polish it because its reading the mids.  It did not look that bad when it was at 4000.

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Re: NO MERCY BEAT'N VIDEO!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #25 on: August 02, 2007, 09:35:41 PM »
It does make the Anger look better.  And the cameraman moves the camera.  That can put people out of perspective; don't do it.

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Re: NO MERCY BEAT'N VIDEO!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2007, 09:36:24 PM »
It does make the Anger look better.  And the cameraman moves the camera.  That can put people out of perspective; don't do it.

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Re: NO MERCY BEAT'N VIDEO!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2007, 09:36:31 PM »
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Waste of a good ball.
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Re: NO MERCY BEAT'N VIDEO!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #28 on: August 02, 2007, 10:24:18 PM »
Supposedly this layout was created by Ron Hickland of Ebonite. It's safe to assume he knows enough about Hammer R&D and about laying out balls to know what he's doing.

This is only the second ball I've seen with that layout. IMO that's not enough evidence to write it off as garbage. I'm sure there is a reason for this design.
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Re: NO MERCY BEAT'N VIDEO!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #29 on: August 02, 2007, 10:58:25 PM »
The layout tames down the back end of the lane.  It causes the ball to roll early and die on the back end.  This is actually a great layout to use when the back ends are really flying.  The back ends on the PBA patterns are very responsive and this type of layout will help control over reaction.

This ball is simple to understand.  The HART logo is actually 4" left of where the normal MB would be.  Opposite for left handers.

I've had 4 NM's with different layouts.  The biggest back end came from placing the HART far left of the thumb (i'm a right hander).  It was actually about 3" left of thumb.  I was lucky to find a NM with the CG off set to the right.  This allowed me to place the HART far left, which also left me with 1/2oz of negative side.  This HART location made the back end very strong!

So if a bowler were to move the HART right of the thumb the ball is going to roll earlier.  This is going to reduce the back end continuation.  The trick layout is kind of like a zero degree layout.  This just causes the ball to roll and die on the back end.  This is not meant for normal conditions because the ball will hit like garbage and deflect unless bowled on super dry back ends.

I hope this helps explain the layout.


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Re: NO MERCY BEAT'N VIDEO!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #30 on: August 02, 2007, 11:28:23 PM »
The thing is that the hart is 90 degrees from the psa or preferential spin axis.  Though the psa is different from a mass bias, it is generally safe to assume that they are the same or very close in location.  The term preferential spin axis though gives a better impression, as the ball is said to have an axis that runs through the ball.  Thus the preferential spin axis reaches the cover at two points.  The hart is directly between these points.

If one were to layout a ball with the hart at 135 degrees which is a typical layout, hart to the track side of one's grip, the psa would actually be located in the 45 degree position, which is generally a strong psa location.  The other psa location is on the other side of the ball, at 225 degrees or negative 45 degrees.

This hart position is around negative 45 degrees or 315 degrees, thus putting the psa in the same location.  The only difference between the two layouts is the position of the cg.  Now as Brunsnick has pointed out on so many occasions cgnomaddah, but as the USBC has pointed out on so many others staticweightmaddah?????.  Generally the entire point of the layout is to get so much sideweight that you need a gigantic weight hole in the finger quadrant.  A weight hole in this position decreases flare a bit but makes the reaction much less skid snap.

The point of the no mercy cg offset from the psa design is to allow the bowler to use strong mass bias placements without needing a weight hole, yet there are a few side effects.  Some trick layouts like this are possible for one, but weight holes on the track side of the ball are another.  Its a very interesting ball, and a fair idea that the people from hammer have.  Moreover, if the proposed cg and x hole regulations are ever enacted the no mercy design is sure to be coppied by other companies.
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