a guy i know had one drilled yesterday. pin above fingers, 4 1/2" from pap, 75*. guy has a low track, and is a straighter player(low to moderate revs). left it oob. i thought the pin placement might have been too long at first, because when he rolled the ball, it really went long. so he hit it with 2000 abralon and the ball reacted much better for him. now he can play the oil a little better and it won't jump too strong off the dry. very nice and controlling piece.