Post by: HammerTech on November 03, 2011, 11:24:41 AM
Post by: dizzyfugu on November 04, 2011, 03:13:01 AM
Launching a new ball called "Messiah"? ;)
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Post by: koolkid927 on November 22, 2011, 10:40:56 AM
Post by: MI 2 AZ on November 22, 2011, 12:11:02 PM
Didn't The Foundation try something years ago?
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Post by: VBP-Dustin on November 22, 2011, 02:01:05 PM
Save bowling? HEY Ebonite International didnt you promise within the last few years that you would have fewer new ball releases? Maybe if there were less balls on the market people would have extra cash to bowl more!
Post by: msmith300800 on November 22, 2011, 02:36:21 PM
Post by: completebowler on November 22, 2011, 03:19:52 PM
This is one of the least intelligent statements I have seen here on BR. The ball market has nothing to do with the dwindling USBC and league bowler ranks. People that buy multiple balls are usually die hard bowlers...people that will probably never quit the game.
If anything they have helped grow the sport. The constant cycling of new equipment in the market allows beginning bowlers to have used balls readily available to them. I can't tell you how many people I have come through my shop that are simply amazed at how much the technology has advanced and how easy it is to see in on the lanes.
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Post by: HammerTech on December 03, 2011, 05:40:03 AM
Post by: billdozer on December 03, 2011, 08:50:43 AM
It's a good idea yes...but bowling was the "scene" way back when..it'll never be the place to hangout like it was..especially with the economy and centers not investing in themselves..
I like Jeff U....but I don't like being told my honor scores don't mean anything...
I understand we should all bowl on sport but its not like there aren't "hard" house anymore...I bowl at one that has 2 honor scores this whole year...one by someone who's a college kid who practices all the time and one by someone who works there...IMO were not bowling on a cake walk..
Some of its relevant...but its all the owners of centers faults...the usbc.....hell the pba...the economy...I'm not complaining here but that's how I see the videos...
Don't throw strikes, throw BOLTS!
Post by: six pack on December 03, 2011, 10:02:57 AM
I dont think it's the equipment either,it's fun to buy a new ball everynow and then.
I feel if the shot or house is to hard to score in then bowlers move on or quit.if to easy then the serious bowler will move on as well.
another point of intrest is the bowling center.most if not all that I've bowled in is old and dumpy. pro shops that are barely hanging on,snack bars that look like old grease pits and so on.maybe the bowling ball manufactures should invest more into the local bowling centers and not just in the more upscale parts of town either.People spend money in all parts of town.
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Edited by six pack on 12/3/2011 at 11:09 AM
Post by: TWOHAND834 on December 03, 2011, 12:14:35 PM
I would say it is not the manufactures fault at all. Moreso the center managers and CEOs. It all starts from teh top, though. Most center managers are acting in response to what their managers are harping on them about. I have seen the emails from corporate big whigs from companies like Brunswick. Thanks to those guys, the centers now have the mentality that they would rather risk losing the guaranteed $9.00-10.00 lineage for league bowlers and instead concentrate on the "Come in and bowl for .99 cents but spend your money on the $2.00 sodas and alcohol sales.
The center I am bowling at right now, has almost a full center of league bowlers 4 nights a week. I would really like to compare the revenues from that center as compared to a center that would rather jack up their lineage and not care about lane conditions/maintenance to help push the league bowlers out the door, then promote open bowling like crazy and snack bar sales.
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Post by: Russell on December 04, 2011, 10:05:06 AM
Fat people also don't like being told their fat....if you play putt putt and shoot 45 for 18 holes, it doesn't mean you're ready to take down Tiger Woods shooting 67. I think that was the point....
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Post by: Russell on December 04, 2011, 10:11:02 AM
I love the site, and the message. I disagree that manufacturers don't share some of the blame. We have way too many bowling balls, and bowlers drown in all of the choices. They watch video after video showing what the balls do (for people with a lot of hand usually) and they have unrealistic expectations about ball reaction. I drilled a Critical Theory for a guy with a 225rpm, 18* tilt who threw it 17.5mph. He saw a video of a guy banging it across 4th arrow and was disappointed when the ball didn't do that. Mind you this guy averages 195 in league.
I go to my distributor's website at any given time and between the major manufacturers there are about 120 balls in current production. There is no way we can justify a need for that many different reactions. Yes I know there will always be choices, but it's getting out of hand. Golf manufacturers come out with a couple of drivers a year, and at any given time might have 3 makes in production. When you go in a store you can easily find the one that fits your eye and game. When you try to explain to new bowlers that the bowling balls are so numerous because of the different reactions offered I'm sure most think "wow I thought this game was simple"....after some time they get bored and move on. Parents now would find it cheaper long term to have their kids play golf than bowl because of the cost to replace equipment on an annual basis.
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Post by: billdozer on December 04, 2011, 02:31:03 PM
Props to hammer for a great idea, I hope its taken seriously by all. No props for your bad metaphor that had nothing to do with what I said.."a 300" doesn't make a pro Russ...it just means u threw the ball decent 12 shots in a row..hopefully were clear now haha
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Post by: ericfox4 on December 04, 2011, 03:02:38 PM
Post by: radioman1 on December 05, 2011, 09:15:53 AM
I dont believe the movement is about whether your honor scores are worth anything it is about bringing some integrity back to the bowling industry. When I was growing up if you averaged 190+ in any league you were the man,plain and simple. People would stop everything going on in the center and watch if someone was shooting a 300. If you were hot and on pace for a 800 series I think the whole world stopped. What they are trying to do is bring this back into perspective. Its great that people want to join leagues and have fun while doing so,but what is wrong with having scoring to go along with that senario. How can people justify the once a week league bowler vs the guy that practices three times a week and bowl three different leagues in three different houses having the same average. You cant it is impossible. Look at this way. As it stands now there is no separation in scoring between the once a week bowler vs somebody that does this 5 days a week. We want to bring back what was once an honorable sport.
Post by: TheGame300 on December 05, 2011, 11:16:59 AM
I agree but I think the ship has sailed on trying to reign the high scores back in to what they once were. There are to many bowlers out there that would just quit or bowl in unsanctioned leagues if the shots were made to tough and they couldn't average 220. Just look at the participation numbers for sport leagues or for that matter the number of houses that even offer sport leagues. I bowl in the only PBA league that is offered in one of the biggest bowling counties in NJ and we only have 14 teams of doubles.
That tells you that people don't want a challenge. As sad as that is.
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Post by: ithinkican on December 05, 2011, 01:34:26 PM
bowling is going downhill because of the prices. the ball, shoes, maintanance and everything else that goes with bowling is so high and absolutely ridiculous that nobody want to do it anymore. the price of bowling is ridiculous and the funny part is the idiots continue to raise the price. they are starting to act like the worthless government that we have right now.
Post by: dballz on December 06, 2011, 12:03:57 PM
i applaud the idea of trying to get this sport back to where it was. i think there are a lot of factors. technology & easier patterns help make people think they know how to bowl. i have been around people who shoot 590-640 and complain to the manager / lane man, asking what they did differently. then they shoot 750 next week, and do you think they went up to those same people and said "thank you for the great shot tonight"? heck no!! when they dont score, its the center, but when they do, they rolled the ball great and over came the pattern. that bothers the living crap out of me.
i think another factor is the change in the environment with people who have kids that play sports. today, it seems like sports are done year round. my daughter plays travel softball and we have practices in the offseason, along with camps, and pitching practice. kids are choosing other sports, and are busy year round, and do not have time to committ to 30-33 weeks of bowling.
i dont know what the answer is to save this sport, but i do hope it can be saved and start to grow again.
Post by: SteveAustin2808 on December 10, 2011, 09:27:01 AM
You took the words right out of my mouth.