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keeones23

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swinging the cg
« on: August 15, 2007, 01:08:59 AM »
I am fairly new to drillings, layouts, pin placement, covers and etc. Today I am getting my cherry vibe drilled and maybe my awesome revs that I've had forever but I've switched to 14 lbs and the revs is 15. I've also since the end of last season switched my delivery so before i would cup my wrist and hook the lane but I guess I'm over that and now I now don't have as much hook or revs. So if I get a ball drilled with the cg swung will it naturally make the ball more aggressive to compensate for my lack of hand? What I'm looking for is out of the vibe is pretty much to be drilled to its strength and out of the revs should i choose to get it drilled is the control drilling smooth continuous hook. I will for sure ask the guy in the pro shop but i would also like to have an idea as to what I'm talking about going in. Any insight is appreciated.
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Re: swinging the cg
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2007, 09:26:49 AM »
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I am fairly new to drillings, layouts, pin placement, covers and etc. Today I am getting my cherry vibe drilled and maybe my awesome revs that I've had forever but I've switched to 14 lbs and the revs is 15. I've also since the end of last season switched my delivery so before i would cup my wrist and hook the lane but I guess I'm over that and now I now don't have as much hook or revs. So if I get a ball drilled with the cg swung will it naturally make the ball more aggressive to compensate for my lack of hand? What I'm looking for is out of the vibe is pretty much to be drilled to its strength and out of the revs should i choose to get it drilled is the control drilling smooth continuous hook. I will for sure ask the guy in the pro shop but i would also like to have an idea as to what I'm talking about going in. Any insight is appreciated.
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Re: swinging the cg
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2007, 09:28:58 AM »
surface   surface   surface, these are some key ingredients to allow for more hook, and where

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Re: swinging the cg
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2007, 01:09:01 AM »
CGNOMATTA, Coverstock and Surface Prep is 60-80%, drilling (pin up or down X-hole placement See video on brunsnick.com) 10-20%, and Core (RG, Diff) is about 10%

CG placement is only really important for the X-hole
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Re: swinging the cg
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2007, 03:20:30 AM »
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Re: swinging the cg
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2007, 09:48:15 AM »
All very PC answers....eagerly given.

However, except for Brunswick many companies show cg out drillings in their drill sheets for symmetric balls and these companies claim the drillings make the ball roll different.

Silly them.

But I believe them and have observed the following things.  CG out drillins are wonderful for getting the ball to roll up earlier.  However with the cg out it is difficult to get the ball to flip as hard as cg stacked drillings(ie one can't carry as easily playing deep inside with a cg out drilling).

IT is a great drillling for a hook stop reaction whether on a symmetric or on a n assymetric.

In addition the more one kicks out the cg(say on PAP) the more midlane oil volume is needed and the stronger the backends must be for the ball to carry.

Off course this only applies to all other companies balls except Brunswicks!

Luckily this question was put in the Rotogrip forum!

Phew!

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Re: swinging the cg
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2007, 10:01:12 AM »
Gee, if people who believe things like CG matters invaded the Brunswick forum, a major hissy fit would result.  But I guess it's OK for the Brunswick lovers to come here and inject their personal feelings, not facts, to this forum.  
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Re: swinging the cg
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2007, 12:03:53 PM »
I loved Nails comments...I believe completely appropriate!

Also...

I was recently asked by a fellow ball reviews member via PM what I expect 1)pin over ring and cg grip center....2)pin over ring and cg stacked and 3 pin over ring and cg out.  I'll answer the question here...

I say it all relates to MIDLANE.  cg in grip center almost no midlane smooth strong backend.  CG stackend strong midlane and flip for inside lines.  CG out = very strong midlane but requires stronger backends to carry as the backend is more of a hook set that does not generate as much attack angle.(particularly with a weighthole on PAP).

My opinions and what I've seen.

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Luckylefty
PS if a mass bias ball is used for this and the cg is in line with the mass bias I find the conclusions above just magnified!
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Re: swinging the cg
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2007, 04:10:30 PM »
I got the vibe drilled under advisement of the proshop guy stacked leverage. It has length hit and carries well but I did get some pretty wicked splits but I'm sure that was my fault and not the ball. I'm overall satisfied.
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Re: swinging the cg
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2007, 04:26:38 PM »
stacked leverage on an overreactive condition will lead to the occassional split.

I have used this knowledge myself to profit from in the past.  The general rule I have is when better bowlers than myself are throwing good shots and getting splits for the smallest mistake and have a stacked drilling...I then go to a more gently reacting drilling or core to reduce my chance of splits.  There has been some  money in this decision in the past!

After all...they are better than me....but I like to beat them!

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Re: swinging the cg
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2007, 04:31:17 PM »
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stacked leverage on an overreactive condition will lead to the occassional split.


God forbid we blame ourselves for an errant shot!
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Re: swinging the cg
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2007, 04:36:30 PM »
I was trying to help by offering something that had been EXTREMELY valuable to me in an important money making situation.

But ridicule is fun....I think you might have however missed something that could have been helpful to an advanced bowler like yourself in your effort to diss my comment.

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Luckylefty
PS again...I was trying to say I saw very good shots result in splits from better players than me with a stacked drilling.  I went non stacked...it worked out.....I had no splits and more miss area....
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« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2007, 04:46:15 PM »
My interpretation of your post was, "It was the ball, not you." A layout isn't sorcery as much as some may think. Being able to perform in the clutch comes from solid, repeatable mechanics, proper ball fit and the experience to settle yourself down and let your body take over.
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LuckyLefty

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Re: swinging the cg
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2007, 04:50:08 PM »
It was somewhat the ball...I was throwing pretty good...BUT the reduced entry angle saved me on these flying backend conditions....

I believe it was...the extra ingredient!

(I had stacked with me I placed in bag)

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Luckylefty
PS for someone this may be helpful!
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« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2007, 04:52:55 PM »
Could it be that you just squeezed when the pressure was on?
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