Post by: keeones23 on August 15, 2007, 01:08:59 AM
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Post by: CoachLefty on August 15, 2007, 09:26:49 AM
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I am fairly new to drillings, layouts, pin placement, covers and etc. Today I am getting my cherry vibe drilled and maybe my awesome revs that I've had forever but I've switched to 14 lbs and the revs is 15. I've also since the end of last season switched my delivery so before i would cup my wrist and hook the lane but I guess I'm over that and now I now don't have as much hook or revs. So if I get a ball drilled with the cg swung will it naturally make the ball more aggressive to compensate for my lack of hand? What I'm looking for is out of the vibe is pretty much to be drilled to its strength and out of the revs should i choose to get it drilled is the control drilling smooth continuous hook. I will for sure ask the guy in the pro shop but i would also like to have an idea as to what I'm talking about going in. Any insight is appreciated.
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Post by: justdale on August 15, 2007, 09:28:58 AM
Post by: Myser on August 16, 2007, 01:09:01 AM
CG placement is only really important for the X-hole
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Post by: BrunsNick on August 16, 2007, 03:20:30 AM
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Post by: LuckyLefty on August 16, 2007, 09:48:15 AM
However, except for Brunswick many companies show cg out drillings in their drill sheets for symmetric balls and these companies claim the drillings make the ball roll different.
Silly them.
But I believe them and have observed the following things. CG out drillins are wonderful for getting the ball to roll up earlier. However with the cg out it is difficult to get the ball to flip as hard as cg stacked drillings(ie one can't carry as easily playing deep inside with a cg out drilling).
IT is a great drillling for a hook stop reaction whether on a symmetric or on a n assymetric.
In addition the more one kicks out the cg(say on PAP) the more midlane oil volume is needed and the stronger the backends must be for the ball to carry.
Off course this only applies to all other companies balls except Brunswicks!
Luckily this question was put in the Rotogrip forum!
Phew!
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Post by: Nails on August 16, 2007, 10:01:12 AM
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Telling it like it is.
Post by: LuckyLefty on August 16, 2007, 12:03:53 PM
Also...
I was recently asked by a fellow ball reviews member via PM what I expect 1)pin over ring and cg grip center....2)pin over ring and cg stacked and 3 pin over ring and cg out. I'll answer the question here...
I say it all relates to MIDLANE. cg in grip center almost no midlane smooth strong backend. CG stackend strong midlane and flip for inside lines. CG out = very strong midlane but requires stronger backends to carry as the backend is more of a hook set that does not generate as much attack angle.(particularly with a weighthole on PAP).
My opinions and what I've seen.
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Luckylefty
PS if a mass bias ball is used for this and the cg is in line with the mass bias I find the conclusions above just magnified!
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Post by: keeones23 on August 17, 2007, 04:10:30 PM
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Post by: LuckyLefty on August 17, 2007, 04:26:38 PM
I have used this knowledge myself to profit from in the past. The general rule I have is when better bowlers than myself are throwing good shots and getting splits for the smallest mistake and have a stacked drilling...I then go to a more gently reacting drilling or core to reduce my chance of splits. There has been some money in this decision in the past!
After all...they are better than me....but I like to beat them!
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Post by: BrunsNick on August 17, 2007, 04:31:17 PM
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stacked leverage on an overreactive condition will lead to the occassional split.
God forbid we blame ourselves for an errant shot!
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Post by: LuckyLefty on August 17, 2007, 04:36:30 PM
But ridicule is fun....I think you might have however missed something that could have been helpful to an advanced bowler like yourself in your effort to diss my comment.
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Luckylefty
PS again...I was trying to say I saw very good shots result in splits from better players than me with a stacked drilling. I went non stacked...it worked out.....I had no splits and more miss area....
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Post by: BrunsNick on August 17, 2007, 04:46:15 PM
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Post by: LuckyLefty on August 17, 2007, 04:50:08 PM
I believe it was...the extra ingredient!
(I had stacked with me I placed in bag)
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PS for someone this may be helpful!
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Post by: BrunsNick on August 17, 2007, 04:52:55 PM
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Post by: BallsDeep on August 17, 2007, 09:06:52 PM
Kicking the cg out does matter from the perspective that it forces the bowler to use a weight hole which, can safely be said to effect ball reaction. Which can be seen in a very nice and instructive manner by viewing Brunsnick's weight hole video.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on August 18, 2007, 03:26:36 PM
Me (not as good)with non stacked drillings didn't.
Who squeezed? Or did we all throw nice?...them with just 5% of TOO MUCH at the back me with 5% less of too much! Thank you Lord, Thank you drilling!
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Post by: BrunsNick on August 18, 2007, 03:35:32 PM
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Post by: FastTracker33 on August 18, 2007, 03:39:57 PM
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The others wonderful bowlers with stacked drillings split.
Me (not as good)with non stacked drillings didn't.
Who squeezed? Or did we all throw nice?...them with just 5% of TOO MUCH at the back me with 5% less of too much! Thank you Lord, Thank you drilling!
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Post by: MegaMav on August 18, 2007, 03:52:42 PM
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The others wonderful bowlers with stacked drillings split.
Me (not as good)with non stacked drillings didn't.
Who squeezed? Or did we all throw nice?...them with just 5% of TOO MUCH at the back me with 5% less of too much! Thank you Lord, Thank you drilling!
I hope you're not trusted with children.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on August 18, 2007, 03:56:55 PM
Really weird...
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on August 18, 2007, 04:08:13 PM
Yes it gets my ball into a roll and then flattens out somewhat on some lane conditions. For me it is a preference on certain balls. I have about 10-20 percent of 300 ball arsenal drilled this way on purpose.
But i have at least 250 balls with no weight holes and pin over or below the ring finger. I also have 3 balls drilled with 6 1/2- 7 inch pap with strong covers, these balls go 50 feet and make dead left turns. Pin at 6 1/2-7 and cg right in the mid grip works like a charm.
Post by: MegaMav on August 18, 2007, 04:09:00 PM
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Weird comments...above...
Really weird...
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Post by: LuckyLefty on August 18, 2007, 04:44:09 PM
It can really be a life saver!
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