Post by: Wolfstrike on October 03, 2006, 04:14:54 AM
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3572012
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3572011
Special Thanks TO kayoung08 For Geting those pics Up for me.
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Beware I have the Domination In my Bag So now Its time for me to dominate!
Edited on 10/3/2006 1:54 PM
Edited on 10/3/2006 1:57 PM
Post by: Noy on October 03, 2006, 01:04:48 PM
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Bowling Since March 2006 - "Get coaching, don't worry about it"...blah blah balh...Just answer the questions please
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Hammer Pain (1000 grit)
Hammer Black Widow
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Post by: Noy on October 03, 2006, 02:21:30 PM
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Bowling Since March 2006 - "Get coaching, don't worry about it"...blah blah balh...Just answer the questions please
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Hammer Pain (1000 grit)
Hammer Black Widow
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Post by: bowlingmaniac017 on October 03, 2006, 02:43:21 PM
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Mike
Post by: azus on October 03, 2006, 02:45:15 PM
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I like my coffee black, just like my metal.
What would Chuck Norris do?
Post by: Nodsleinad on October 03, 2006, 02:49:27 PM
Nod.
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LTBOCSFM
Post by: chitown on October 03, 2006, 03:02:26 PM
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GO BEARS! Super Bowl bound!
Post by: FastTracker33 on October 03, 2006, 03:03:14 PM
quote:
This ball does look really cool! When is it coming out?
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GO BEARS! Super Bowl bound!
November release..
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Post by: Noy on October 03, 2006, 03:09:03 PM
quote:
The Black Widow is 4000 as well for Med-Hvy conditions and it is a monster as well
Nod.
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LTBOCSFM
Actually, its rated as more of a medium ball. I guess the no limit would be a step up into the Med-hvy. then again, I could be wrong.
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Bowling Since March 2006 - "Get coaching, don't worry about it"...blah blah balh...Just answer the questions please
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Hammer Black Widow
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Post by: Wolfstrike on October 03, 2006, 03:10:18 PM
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Beware I have the Domination In my Bag So now Its time for me to dominate!
Post by: KDawg77 on October 03, 2006, 03:12:16 PM
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If there's two things I can not stand it's people who are intolerant of other peoples' cultures and the Dutch!
Post by: Noy on October 03, 2006, 03:14:35 PM
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Bowling Since March 2006 - "Get coaching, don't worry about it"...blah blah balh...Just answer the questions please
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Hammer Pain (1000 grit)
Hammer Black Widow
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Storm Spare Ball
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Edited on 10/3/2006 3:07 PM
Post by: Nodsleinad on October 03, 2006, 03:16:03 PM
quote:quote:
The Black Widow is 4000 as well for Med-Hvy conditions and it is a monster as well
Nod.
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LTBOCSFM
Actually, its rated as more of a medium ball. I guess the no limit would be a step up into the Med-hvy. then again, I could be wrong.
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Bowling Since March 2006 - "Get coaching, don't worry about it"...blah blah balh...Just answer the questions please
Arsenal:
Hammer Pain (1000 grit)
Hammer Black Widow
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Storm Spare Ball
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Not 100% sure, but i was looking at the Self Talker. For me in box it is a Med-Hvy oil ball though
http://www.hammerbowling.com/trade/2006shelftalker/Black_Widow.pdf
Nod
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LTBOCSFM
Edited on 10/3/2006 3:09 PM
Post by: bgh on October 03, 2006, 03:35:52 PM
lol - hannibal the cannibal lector mask
Totally cool. Great humor from the no mercy hammer heads. Love it!
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"The pins adhere to the law of the "Golden Rule"."
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Edited on 10/3/2006 3:33 PM
Post by: six pack on October 03, 2006, 03:54:03 PM
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B-dub in the house YE'all..
Post by: No Open Tenths on October 03, 2006, 04:06:30 PM
I know that balls have starting coming with thin coverstocks but veneer is usually a term used for a very thin material. Will this cause a problem with resurfacing?
Ball does seem really nice though.
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Whether you think you can, or whether you think you can't... you're probably right.
Post by: six pack on October 03, 2006, 04:12:02 PM
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B-dub in the house YE'all..
Post by: No Open Tenths on October 03, 2006, 05:04:45 PM
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Whether you think you can, or whether you think you can't... you're probably right.
Post by: Strapper_Squared on October 03, 2006, 05:06:29 PM
S^2
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I'm a great quitter. It's one of the few things I do well. I come from a long line of quitters. My father was a quitter, my grandfather was a quitter... I was raised to give up.
- George, in "The Old Man"
Post by: Joe Jr on October 03, 2006, 05:09:44 PM
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- Joe
Formerly Richard Cranium
Post by: Noy on October 03, 2006, 07:37:34 PM
I dont know if it will/wont/is passed, but wasnt the USBC forming a rule where the CG had to be in the center of the span which limited the bowler to only being able to choose pin placement? Seeing as it looks like hammer made a ball thats supposedly strong with a simple layout, could this be their transition into this new ruling?
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Bowling Since March 2006 - "Get coaching, don't worry about it"...blah blah balh...Just answer the questions please
Arsenal:
Hammer Pain (1000 grit)
Hammer Black Widow
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Post by: Noy on October 03, 2006, 07:55:40 PM
quote:quote:
Just a thought...
I dont know if it will/wont/is passed, but wasnt the USBC forming a rule where the CG had to be in the center of the span which limited the bowler to only being able to choose pin placement? Seeing as it looks like hammer made a ball thats supposedly strong with a simple layout, could this be their transition into this new ruling?
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Bowling Since March 2006 - "Get coaching, don't worry about it"...blah blah balh...Just answer the questions please
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Hammer Pain (1000 grit)
Hammer Black Widow
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Storm Spare Ball
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It never got past stage 1.. which was put it to a vote. The USBC saw this rule made no sense after their allegiations were countered by Brunswick and many other companies. I imagine your never going to see this brought up again.
-Chris
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Brunswick and Hammer.. the best of the best.
Penn State University
Ahh, okay. I just remember seeing the video about it on brunswick's site, never knew they put the proposition away. But if the USBC knows that the "CG nomaddah," why do they still make us drill a weight hole?
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Bowling Since March 2006 - "Get coaching, don't worry about it"...blah blah balh...Just answer the questions please
Arsenal:
Hammer Pain (1000 grit)
Hammer Black Widow
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Storm Spare Ball
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Post by: monstercrank on October 03, 2006, 08:28:09 PM
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"I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down'" - Bob Newhart
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If guns kill people then spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat!
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Some people are like Slinkies....
Not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile
to your face... when you push one down a flight of stairs.
Post by: fins4ever88 on October 03, 2006, 09:19:47 PM
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Is it just Me Is Ebonite Making better Gear with there Hammer Line then the ebonite LINE???????After the One series what else they got right now?
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Beware I have the Domination In my Bag So now Its time for me to dominate!
SR300, Elements line, Time series.
Time series (Smashtime, Overtime, Big Time) are one of the most underrated ball lines. Nice compliment to what many say the most overrated ball lines in The Ones.
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Post by: bowler0821 on October 04, 2006, 12:10:51 AM
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Mike
A Bowlers Life-
To bowl is to live. To live is to bowl.
Post by: Noy on October 04, 2006, 12:34:14 AM
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Bowling Since March 2006 - "Get coaching, don't worry about it"...blah blah balh...Just answer the questions please
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Hammer Pain (1000 grit)
Hammer Black Widow
Track Equation
Storm Spare Ball
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Post by: InternationalBowler on October 04, 2006, 04:49:11 AM
quote:
Is it just Me Is Ebonite Making better Gear with there Hammer Line then the ebonite LINE???????After the One series what else they got right now?
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Beware I have the Domination In my Bag So now Its time for me to dominate!
SR300, Whirlwind, Over Time, Smash Time, Crossfire and No Limit comes to mind. They are all very good balls.
On topic. I'm going to the No Mercy seminar on the 19th and the balls should be available there. We will probably get the chance to drill and throw some. I'll see if I can get some videos and post them on my website.
Post by: 302efi on October 04, 2006, 05:25:09 AM
Its all black, thats it.
Am I seeing different pics then everyone else or something ?
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Roto-Grip & Lane #1
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Robo-Arm bowlers SUCK...
Post by: monstercrank on October 04, 2006, 05:48:41 AM
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"I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down'" - Bob Newhart
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If guns kill people then spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat!
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Some people are like Slinkies....
Not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile
to your face... when you push one down a flight of stairs.
Post by: DanR on October 04, 2006, 08:25:21 AM
Post by: chitown on October 04, 2006, 09:36:22 AM
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The concept of this core is that the strongest suggested drilling is just a simple label drilling. Layouts with normal strong layouts such as where the MB is kicked out will actually smoothout the ball motion. I saw the ball motion and it's strong and continous. FOLLOW the instructions and you will not be disappointed
That is against everything that I have learned about asymmetrical layout's. So this is going to need special weak layouts to get that strong reaction?
That's why I still love symmetrical bowling balls. Simple layouts!
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GO BEARS! Super Bowl bound!
Post by: Noy on October 04, 2006, 09:47:45 AM
quote:quote:
The concept of this core is that the strongest suggested drilling is just a simple label drilling. Layouts with normal strong layouts such as where the MB is kicked out will actually smoothout the ball motion. I saw the ball motion and it's strong and continous. FOLLOW the instructions and you will not be disappointed
That is against everything that I have learned about asymmetrical layout's. So this is going to need special weak layouts to get that strong reaction?
That's why I still love symmetrical bowling balls. Simple layouts!
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GO BEARS! Super Bowl bound!
I dont think it would be so different. Maybe its just working backwards...Start strong with Label, and get weaker from there.
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Bowling Since March 2006 - "Get coaching, don't worry about it"...blah blah balh...Just answer the questions please
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Hammer Black Widow
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Post by: jkiser01 on October 04, 2006, 11:03:14 AM
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Nothing hits like a Hammer except Maybe Morich!! The Awesome Hook is a great ball..
Post by: jkiser01 on October 04, 2006, 01:00:56 PM
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Nothing hits like a Hammer except Maybe Morich!! The Awesome Hook is a great ball..
Post by: Wolfstrike on October 04, 2006, 01:09:47 PM
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Beware I have the Domination In my Bag So now Its time for me to dominate!
Post by: anotherwindup on October 04, 2006, 02:31:08 PM
Yep, it has holes.
I drilled it the way they said to.
Pin at 5" from Pap near ring finger. HART is left of the thumb about 1". CG is 3/4" from the Center of Grip.
I shall see tonight.
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Jason Jenkins
'05-'06 Hammer Amateur Staff
'06-'07 Hammer Amateur Staff
"Nothing HITS like a Hammer"
http://www.hammerbowling.com/hammertalk/forumdisplay.php?f=2
Post by: Noy on October 04, 2006, 02:37:24 PM
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Good then I can "legally" throw mine tonight!!
Yep, it has holes.
I drilled it the way they said to.
Pin at 5" from Pap near ring finger. HART is left of the thumb about 1". CG is 3/4" from the Center of Grip.
I shall see tonight.
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Jason Jenkins
'05-'06 Hammer Amateur Staff
'06-'07 Hammer Amateur Staff
"Nothing HITS like a Hammer"
http://www.hammerbowling.com/hammertalk/forumdisplay.php?f=2
I envy you! Tell us how it does!
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Bowling Since March 2006 - "Get coaching, don't worry about it"...blah blah balh...Just answer the questions please
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Hammer Pain (1000 grit)
Hammer Black Widow
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Storm Spare Ball
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on October 04, 2006, 02:52:11 PM
I like the Black Widow logo better, but it is a bit too huge in proportion to the ball. This one looks kind of like Evil Boo Berry to me.
I am not saying it's bad because obviously a lot of people like it.
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I mean what's next, WRW in a Codpiece if the mens tour suffers? - Nodsleinad
Post by: chitown on October 04, 2006, 03:02:20 PM
Next the Logo does look cool. What line of balls is the no mercy going to be under?
I personally have trouble with asymmetrical balls. I can't seem to get the right layout on them. They tend to be very un predictable for me. I got rid of the BW I had because of this. Now i'm really skeptical about this ball because not only is it asymmetrical but it has a different set of rules for layouts.
If someone from Hammer can chime in on this it would be great to clear up any confusion.
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GO BEARS! Super Bowl bound!
Post by: Nodsleinad on October 04, 2006, 03:08:57 PM
Nod
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LTBOCSFM
Post by: chitown on October 04, 2006, 04:09:48 PM
quote:
New weight block, new drilling specs and the ball is not Assymetric. So toss out what you know and wait until the drill sheets and info comes out.
Nod
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LTBOCSFM
The description says it's asymmetrical
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GO BEARS! Super Bowl bound!
Post by: Noy on October 04, 2006, 04:27:26 PM
The ad says that the label drill is the strongest. So what if it has a MB, every ball has one despite how little or immesurable it is, they have one. Maybe Hammer figured out a way to take a negatively placed MB, and use it for the better. It sure beats having to drill out a weight hole which lowers the value of your ball should you try to sell it.
Its just like when Brunswick proved that the CG makes little difference on the ball, it went against everything that people knew and still to this day it does, but lots of people are better off with that knowledge.
Its an asymmetrical core. Just wait until people throw it. If it doesnt work out like advertised, then point fingers at Hammer and their R&D team. You never know, it may turn out to be the ball of your dreams.Overall, has Hammer failed you yet?
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Arsenal:
Hammer Pain (1000 grit)
Hammer Black Widow
Track Equation
Storm Spare Ball
Post by: jkiser01 on October 04, 2006, 05:01:03 PM
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Nothing hits like a Hammer except Maybe Morich!! The Awesome Hook is a great ball..
Post by: Raven829 on October 04, 2006, 05:19:02 PM
Don
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"On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage. Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me. The problem we have to address more than anything is the home run problem."
~Dusty Baker being a total fool
Post by: Noy on October 04, 2006, 06:03:39 PM
quote:
Noy, you are not entirely correct in your observation. Visionary has had something similar with the AMB line for quite some time. People were scared away by the whole "anti mass bias" thing, although it makes perfect sense. I know that the No Mercy is not the same thing, but just like with the AMB line it goes against everything that was previously assumed about MB placement.
Don
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"On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage. Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me. The problem we have to address more than anything is the home run problem."
~Dusty Baker being a total fool
ahh, well, thats my fault as I dont know much about visionary to begin with. My point here is that technology advances, usually for the better. There really is no need to start worrying about things unless you've actually bought the product already. If it hasnt cost you anything, then it shouldnt be much cause for any concern. Now, if you pre-ordered the ball not knowing that it would turn out the way it did, then I'd understand. Just give the ball its time. Hopefully whoever is able to roll it tonight (now that its legal) will give us feed back on how the ball reacts and carries.
BTW, that quote you have on Dusty Baker is classic...I hope he doesnt come back to the Giants.
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Bowling Since March 2006 - "Get coaching, don't worry about it"...blah blah balh...Just answer the questions please
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Hammer Pain (1000 grit)
Hammer Black Widow
Track Equation
Storm Spare Ball
Post by: InternationalBowler on October 09, 2006, 06:44:29 AM
www.bowltowin.dk/3334HB_NoMercySlsSht.pdf (8.7mb!!!!)
www.bowltowin.dk/NoMercyDrillingInstructions.pdf (2.5mb)
Enjoy
Edited on 10/9/2006 6:37 AM
Post by: chitown on October 09, 2006, 04:26:43 PM
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GO BEARS! Super Bowl bound!
Post by: Djarum on October 10, 2006, 08:42:51 AM
Dj
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Post by: Joe Jr on October 10, 2006, 09:52:43 PM
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- Joe
Banned under the user name Richard Cranium
Post by: chucksta29 on October 10, 2006, 10:44:54 PM
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