Author Topic: Did pro shop screw up this "No Mercy" with wrong layout? (Read 5332 times)

pjr300 · « **on:** December 04, 2006, 09:40:08 AM »

One of our juniors was proudly showing off his new ball, a No Mercy. Mind you, this kid's been suffering through with one ball, a trashed out sonic X with an incorrect span.

Anyhow, I looked at the ball and the HART is located about an inch RIGHT of the thumb. Pin is above the ring, CG is about 4 inches below and one inch right (it's not in a line).

Anyhow, is this ball screwed up due to the HART being in the wrong position? This pro shop isn't known for their brilliance...

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scotts33 · « **Reply #16 on:** December 05, 2006, 12:00:38 PM »

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Per my Hammer rep, you can put the HART as far left for layout #1 as will allow you to not have more than an ounce of negative side weight. You don't want to have a weight hole on the negative side as the ball could possibly flare over the weight hole.

teach,

I disagree from my own experience you can drill an X hole to take negative weight out to put positive in. In a misaligned ball this is really the only way that I know of to get some positive weight in it.

I rolled it before my driller put an X hole in it. We could see where I track/flare and he put a decent size hole in to to take it from 7/8 oz. neg. to 1/2 oz. pos. Completely different animal after putting an X hole in it.
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BigHorhn · « **Reply #17 on:** December 05, 2006, 12:15:32 PM »

My No Mercy is drilled like that (#2). The cg is not in line though. It has a weight hole in it. I told my ball driller that I wanted it to have a strong arc, which is what it does. Its just not for the shot I wanted it for. It goes a little to long and I leave a lot of corner pins. Its not the drillers fault. But he should have sold me a ball with the pin,cg and hart in line. 2cents

mrteach3 · « **Reply #18 on:** December 05, 2006, 12:53:59 PM »

Scott,

I know what you mean. My point was to try not to have that happen as it could possibly hit the weight hole unless your driller did as yours chose to do. Good idea. I question how many people would be careful enough to do this.

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scotts33 · « **Reply #19 on:** December 05, 2006, 03:15:05 PM »

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My No Mercy is drilled like that (#2). The cg is not in line though. It has a weight hole in it. I told my ball driller that I wanted it to have a strong arc, which is what it does. Its just not for the shot I wanted it for. It goes a little to long and I leave a lot of corner pins. Its not the drillers fault. But he should have sold me a ball with the pin,cg and hart in line. 2cents

I'd agree BigHorhn. If, I had to do it over again I would have not bought a NM that was that far out of alignment given the way that one needs to set the ball up correctly.

I also believe Hammer knows the error of shipping out these misaligned balls as they talked directly to my driller and offered him another NM. They/Hammer returned his call within 1/2 an hour......so they know something is wrong here. Probably, I am guessing have had some complaints from pro shops.

Live and learn.

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Scott

Wallshot · « **Reply #20 on:** December 05, 2006, 04:15:42 PM »

Yep, it seems that for most, not all, that the trick is getting a NM with the pin, cg and hart relatively in line and keeping the cg in the positive quadrant.

I drilled mine with a slight variation on layout #7 and cannot say enough good things about it other than: 258, 300 out of the box (o.k. it did have holes drilled in it...LOL). Conversely, a friend had his drilled very similar to mine and he hated it until he polished it up. It just goes to show that different styles, tracks, etc can affect the drilling of this ball in adverse ways. Be very careful about the hart being on your track, don't guess, don't estimate, get it right the first time and you'll be glad you did. I disagree with the thought that because the NM moves the track lower you should take this into account when determining hart placement. I'm sure Hammers R&D was well aware of the physics involved and would have stated: "place the hart 1/4" lower than your normal track", etc, etc if it was a factor. I placed the hart smack dab in the middle of my tracks lowest point just left of the thumb.

This a is a very impressive, versatile and strong arcing/roling ball. Drill it properly and enjoy!

pic of my layout:

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/733/nmdrillingus8.jpg

azguy · « **Reply #21 on:** December 05, 2006, 05:05:11 PM »

I guess I've been very lucky. I've had/have 9 N/M's and none of them were more than 1/2-3/4 inch off line. None were a problem for anyone that I drilled for. I have had one customer pick from 4, at the time, before he found the one he wanted. Strange enough, it was the one I told him would probably be the second best ball of the lot for him.

I always know the customers' style/release so when we talk about layouts/balls, I have a good idea what they want and will work for them. I'm by NO means an expert, just pay attention to my customers as they bowl or will go and watch them, if they bowl on a different night, so I have a good idea what they want a ball to do.

Now as for me, I take a week or so to decide what ball, layout and if I really need/want the ball. There's my downfall, myself, others is easy for me, but, for myself...I struggle.

I think more folks would have had better luck with this ball, if someone would have just talked to them and explained the different layouts, JMO.
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scotts33 · « **Reply #22 on:** December 05, 2006, 10:58:11 PM »

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I guess I've been very lucky. I've had/have 9 N/M's and none of them were more than 1/2-3/4 inch off line.

My NM with a #1 layout with pin next to ring and HART 1 1/2" left of thumb drawing a straight line from Pin to CG is 1.25" off line/misaligned...towards/under my middle finger. If, I knew what I know now I would have NOT bought the NM. Hammer should never have shipped the ball in the first place and they freely admit it to pro shop operators...at least my pro. It's a blem in my book.

BTW.....I am a mature bowler with an idea of what needs to be done technique wise and how to play lanes. I am not impressed with Hammer at this point.

I continue to work with the NM because I am stubborn.

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Author Topic: Did pro shop screw up this "No Mercy" with wrong layout? (Read 5332 times)

pjr300

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