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Title: TOXIC...
Post by: monstercrank on November 22, 2006, 12:21:29 PM
So just to be clear before I buy one, IS IT OR IS IT NOT PARTICLE? The decriptions say it's pearl reactive, but every other thing I read on this site has people saying it's pearl particle... Which is it? I really have no need for a pearl particle with my Total Inferno being so strong, so reactive would be the ticket for me, and I would'nt be too happy if I bought it and it was in fact particle...
Thanks

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Title: Re: TOXIC...
Post by: six pack on November 22, 2006, 08:43:23 PM
key words being "new traction pearl"leads me to beleive it's a pearl particle.
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Title: Re: TOXIC...
Post by: themagician on November 22, 2006, 08:47:10 PM
Its just a pearl, no particle.
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Title: Re: TOXIC...
Post by: jkiser01 on November 22, 2006, 08:51:03 PM
I was told by Brian Graham, it is NOT particle. It is max flip reactive with a pearl additive.
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Title: Re: TOXIC...
Post by: REVerse on November 22, 2006, 08:52:47 PM
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Its just a pearl, no particle.
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Title: Re: TOXIC...
Post by: jkiser01 on November 22, 2006, 08:53:33 PM
I also have 2 of the Toxic's sitting right here in front of me and the box says  PEARL REACTIVE.. NO mention of particle..

On a side note, very attractive ball. Green with silver swirls. For sure different looking and I like that..
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Edited on 11/22/2006 9:45 PM
Title: Re: TOXIC...
Post by: ShermDawg on November 22, 2006, 08:56:08 PM
Pearl. NO PARTICLES
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Title: Re: TOXIC...
Post by: six pack on November 22, 2006, 09:27:09 PM
so what's "the new traction pearl"?
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Title: Re: TOXIC...
Post by: chitown on November 22, 2006, 09:43:32 PM
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so what's "the new traction pearl"?
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It probably has a small amount of particle in it but is so small that it can't be considered particle.  Don't quote me on this.  I'm just guessing.
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Title: Re: TOXIC...
Post by: Djarum on November 22, 2006, 09:45:47 PM
If there is no particle, how(other than the core) is it different than the doom?

Dj
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Title: Re: TOXIC...
Post by: jkiser01 on November 22, 2006, 09:55:47 PM
I have read a couple of early reviews of the ball and its sooner and seems stronger than the Doom. Its not the same core as the Doom and its not the same cover. It is reactive pearl with a pearl additive.. What exactly does that mean, not really sure..

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If there is no particle, how(other than the core) is it different than the doom?

Dj
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Edited on 11/23/2006 6:46 AM
Title: Re: TOXIC...
Post by: Djarum on November 22, 2006, 09:59:01 PM
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I have read a couple of early reviews of the ball and its longer and stronger than the Doom. Its not the same core as the Doom and its not the same cover. It is reactive pearl with a pearl additive.. What exactly does that mean, not really sure..

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If there is no particle, how(other than the core) is it different than the doom?

Dj
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Well, that doesn't make sense, considering to make a ball pearl..you have to give it an additive to do so. Sounds like marketing double talk. I really wish companies(not only hammer) would be more specific about the type of coverstock. Track is notorious for saying something is just reactive, finding out it is pearl w/o a mention to it.

Dj
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Title: Re: TOXIC...
Post by: six pack on November 22, 2006, 10:12:31 PM
quote:
I have read a couple of early reviews of the ball and its longer and stronger than the Doom. Its not the same core as the Doom and its not the same cover. It is reactive pearl with a pearl additive.. What exactly does that mean, not really sure..

quote:
If there is no particle, how(other than the core) is it different than the doom?

Dj
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I've read the opposite,it's longer then the pain but not the doom.I agree,I wish hammer would be more specific on their cover descriptions,how else can we make a decision.
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Title: Re: TOXIC...
Post by: jkiser01 on November 23, 2006, 05:55:02 AM
here is one of the short reviews I read:

Toxic is clean up front, it was a bit sooner than the Doom drilled the same.
The midlane read was much better and a stronger backend. The ball fills a gap in the Raw series..
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Title: Re: TOXIC...
Post by: monstercrank on November 23, 2006, 06:40:20 AM
so it looks like no one really knows... damn
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Title: Re: TOXIC...
Post by: jkiser01 on November 23, 2006, 07:15:03 AM
I emailed Brian Graham with Hammer last week and he told me NO particles in this ball.. I have never had Brian quote me the wrong information so I believe the ball is Reactive Pearl and thats also what the box says as well as I have 2 of them sitting at home..


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so it looks like no one really knows... damn
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"I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down'" - Bob Newhart
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If guns kill people then spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat!
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Some people are like Slinkies....
Not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile
to your face... when you push one down a flight of stairs.
---------------------------
OMG me throwing my BLACK WIDOW and TOTAL INFERNO!!! (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msGugBFCozE")

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One day when I grow up I hope to be able to throw the ball AND carry as good as g_thing!!
Title: Re: TOXIC...
Post by: monstercrank on November 23, 2006, 07:34:36 AM
awesome, looks like I found my new ball!
Thanks
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Some people are like Slinkies....
Not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile
to your face... when you push one down a flight of stairs.
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OMG me throwing my BLACK WIDOW and TOTAL INFERNO!!! (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msGugBFCozE")
Title: Re: TOXIC...
Post by: J_Mac on November 23, 2006, 07:42:38 AM
Just because it doesn't have particles in it, doesn't mean it doesn't have a "additive" in it.

This little additive/particle game seems to have started with Columbia with some of their coverstocks.  

I guess if the additive being added to the ball doesn't give it classic particle coverstock characteristics, why label the additive as a particle if you feel it's going to mislead the public about the balls intended purpose.

Just my $0.02
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Title: Re: TOXIC...
Post by: jkiser01 on November 23, 2006, 07:57:45 AM
It is listed as having a pearl additive in it.. Nothing I have read or been told said it was a particle pearl additive. Once again, the box clearly states reactive pearl so thats what I believe that it is..

I also see no reason why Hammer would mislead anyone on the coverstock of this ball.. If it was a particle pearl, I am sure thats how it would be marketed..
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One day when I grow up I hope to be able to throw the ball AND carry as good as g_thing!!
Title: Re: TOXIC...
Post by: monstercrank on November 23, 2006, 08:23:11 AM
yea, the pearl is actually an additive, something extra that needs to be added to the mix to get the actual pearlized look and reaction, could that possibly be the "additive" they speak of?
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"I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down'" - Bob Newhart
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If guns kill people then spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat!
-----------------------------
Some people are like Slinkies....
Not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile
to your face... when you push one down a flight of stairs.
---------------------------
OMG me throwing my BLACK WIDOW and TOTAL INFERNO!!! (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msGugBFCozE")
Title: Re: TOXIC...
Post by: six pack on November 23, 2006, 10:04:49 AM
again "the new TRACTION pearl"keeps me thinking that this ball has some kind of particle in it.pearl makes the ball skid more/store more energy right?so what's with the traction part in the descrip?
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Title: Re: TOXIC...
Post by: pba6285 on November 23, 2006, 10:40:56 AM
I drilled a Toxic on Monday,  Rev Leverage,  Pin and CG 3 3/8 from PAP ( 5 1/8 > x 1/8^) Mid line of the grip is equidistant from the pin to CG  Weight hole  on a line from the Center of grip through the CG  Just below the VAL.

Took it out on lanes the had 3 shifts of league and some open play  I had to stand on Lane 18 to throw the ball 6th arrow on 19  with some speed to keep the ball from over hooking.

Then bowled on the fresh THS  was able to play up 12 with no problem.

Bowled after the first shift league tonight.  I was able to start out 2 boards deeper with the feet with no problem.  Then midway into the 2nd game  the ball started checking up early and over hooking.  Moved a couple boards further left with the feet and eyes and took some hand out of the ball and it worked just fine.  The ball DEFINITELY reacts in the dry.

I used the Toxic during 2 leagues on Tuesday night

I shot 245, 235, 208 = 688 for the first shift. and 210, 214, 194 = 618 for the 2nd shift.

When I drilled the ball, I  made some changes to my thumb pitch I started hanging up as the night went on and was struggling to get out of the ball. I definitely like the roll of the ball

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Title: Re: TOXIC...
Post by: azguy on November 23, 2006, 12:09:32 PM
Good info, Thanks. Was looking for something under the No Mercy, this helps.
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Title: Re: TOXIC...
Post by: KCarter069 on November 23, 2006, 03:59:09 PM
http://www.blockbusterbowling.com/catalog/CatalogMgr.pl?cartID=b-4130&SearchField=category&SearchFor=HAballs&template=Htx/deptballs.htx&hdr=Hammer%20Balls&displayNumber=10http://

Heres an actual pic of the toxic
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Title: Re: TOXIC...
Post by: jkiser01 on November 23, 2006, 04:27:35 PM
the 2 that I have are more swirled with silver than the one pictured..
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