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chitown

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Toxic question?
« on: January 08, 2007, 08:01:29 AM »
Has anyone dulled there Toxic?  If so, how was the reaction?
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Re: Toxic question?
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2007, 07:48:42 AM »
I realize this is a hammer forum, but I'd like to chime in.

I've found in the past that my fired up(similar to the doom) did very well with a "rough buff" sort of finish. Found that for medium-heavy, this ball was awesome. I believe buffed pearls, even dull ones, have their place.

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chitown

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Re: Toxic question?
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2007, 07:54:57 AM »
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Chitown,

While certain variations of balls can be very helpful on conditions such as you describe, Sometimes, many time, drills have to be varied with the surfaces as well.

In the reverse block you describe, it is often unusual for an RB to allow one to have th eball goes a far outside as 8. The Nationals often play like an RB and the breakpoint often has to be around 11 or 12.

In these situations, (which you probably know by now) instead of keeping the pin around the ring finger area, not only might a ball surface of 2000 grit (or even 4000 grit, it depends) be useful, instead of the normal gloss polish, but placing the pin over the bridge and kicking the CG out slightly coudl give you the slight backend needed to succeed on an RB.

In this sense, I can see carrying a polish Toxic with a "normal" drill and a matte finish with a 4000 grit finish and length+ reduced backend drill.

In general, if the cores and the coverstock are identical on 2 balls, a solid and a pearl resin, if drilled the same and surface finished the same, the pearl will usuually go slightly longer due to the stiffer cover tension provided by the pearlization. At times this can be helpful, but usually only on tricky tournament shots or PBA or SPort patterns in leagues. This could be what your facing.

Again, in summary, manipulating ball design, alternative drills and coverstock preparations can be very useful but is a complex balancing act of many, many factors, including your own release and ball speed consistency.
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Charlest, this particular RB has the lanes so dry in the middles which makes it very difficult to just stay inside and play a tight line.  The only way to do this is with a lot of ball speed.  This is just a tough pattern period.

The ball I used that gave me my best game was my PAIN which has the pin above the bridge, cg to 1oz and no balance hole.  I had to really increase my ball speed a great amount to get it thru the mids.  

Yes this is one of those tricky patterns that forces the bowler to really think of where to play the lane.  

I had a DOOM, PAIN, NM and Spare ball with me in my bag.

One thing i'm going to try is delayed reaction polish on my DOOM.  I'm going to see if that will allow the ball to get thru the mids and be tamer on the back ends.  I will post what happens next week.

Thanks for the good discussion.

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DukeHarding

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Re: Toxic question?
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2007, 12:17:21 PM »
Chi,
why not drill up "my" Animal?
I know you love them.

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Re: Toxic question?
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2007, 04:46:03 PM »
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Chi,
why not drill up "my" Animal?
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Re: Toxic question?
« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2007, 06:29:24 PM »
chi look at a brunswick ambush I know before you even say it, but I have one with the pin below my ring finger cg kicked 45 degrees and then one the same way but pin above my bridge both work great very smooth
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