Author Topic: Venom Layout (Read 4423 times)

Doug Sterner · « **on:** October 13, 2008, 01:19:22 PM »

Hi there guys and gals. I need a hand here since I have no experience with this ball thus far this season.

While the ball looks great and it definitely a quality piece I have not been able to generate any interest in this ball at our local house. I am contemplating drilling one up for our 3rd game when the lanes just start screaming and my Tsunami won't go right of the headpin.

Has anyone drilled a Venom like this?

http://dougsproshop.net/images/MyArsenal/venomlayout.jpg

I am looking to play inside so I need length with a sharp angle so I get the 10 pin out.

I am a Lane 1 diehard but they don't have anything in their line up that's a true skid-flip ball.

Or do you guys think i am barking up the wrong tree? I have a pair of VEnoms here and a pair of Psychos so I was going to try and get one of them to fill the slot. Or should I be looking at a Vibe instead?

Thanks in advance for the input and suggestions.
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themagician · « **Reply #1 on:** October 13, 2008, 10:40:23 PM »

Doug, what is the pin to PAP on that ball for you? I know a lot of people are saying the venom can be very squirty in box finish and/or with a higher pin. Most of the people I know have done better using a pin down layout and the ball still has plenty of length. Though this could be the bowlers and lanes I have some doubts based on their game and other equipment.

In general though you would expect a long and strong move out of that layout but it definitely varies person to person.

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Fatboy8 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 13, 2008, 10:41:19 PM »

Mine's drilled pin over ring, MB right of the thumb 1 1/2"-2". It's very skid flip. It's an excellent ball and really lets me open up the lane. I love the reaction I get with the Venom, very predictable.
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thegame · « **Reply #3 on:** October 13, 2008, 11:58:51 PM »

Hi Doug:
Not sure how much this will help, but the layout you showed is exactly how my Psycho is drilled, and I just drilled my Venom tonight, and went with the pin below the bridge, instead of above it to avoid it being to squirty at the breakpoint. The Psycho has a hard arc with that layout, but again, two different balls. I'd let you know how my Venom rolls when I get it out there, but by the time I get to practice with it this weekend, you'll probably have yours drilled. I've used the layout you showed with great success on my Psycho and Anger, and wanted something a bit different with the Venom and Sauce when it comes in. Good luck with it, and I look forward to reading your review on it, and I'll review mine also when I get some games in with it.

bluerrpilot · « **Reply #4 on:** October 14, 2008, 09:26:12 AM »

That is very close to mine. Mine is 60deg X 30deg 6" PtoP. I don't think this ball "flips" as much as soe think. It "rolls" more off the spot. It rolls very very hard and controllable. The BWP is more jerky than this ball. If you look into a Vibe, stay with the Cherry, IMO It will have less midlane than the Emerald and give you that strong "flip" your looking for.
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bowler001 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 14, 2008, 06:29:13 PM »

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That is very close to mine. Mine is 60deg X 30deg 6" PtoP. I don't think this ball "flips" as much as soe think. It "rolls" more off the spot. It rolls very very hard and controllable. The BWP is more jerky than this ball. If you look into a Vibe, stay with the Cherry, IMO It will have less midlane than the Emerald and give you that strong "flip" your looking for.
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I agree 110%. My venom is 65 deg by 40 deg 5-1/2" pin to pap. I get a very predictable roll out of the ball if I know exactly where the friction is at. Otherwise, if there is no friction in the track area, it does not recover on the backend. Most of the time, it just skids right through the breakpoint. Not overly pleased with this ball out of the box. But when the lane conditions are set up for it, it works well. Otherwise, it just sits in the bag.

Kid Jete · « **Reply #6 on:** October 14, 2008, 06:40:45 PM »

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That is very close to mine. Mine is 60deg X 30deg 6" PtoP. I don't think this ball "flips" as much as soe think. It "rolls" more off the spot. It rolls very very hard and controllable. The BWP is more jerky than this ball. If you look into a Vibe, stay with the Cherry, IMO It will have less midlane than the Emerald and give you that strong "flip" your looking for.
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I agree 110%. My venom is 65 deg by 40 deg 5-1/2" pin to pap. I get a very predictable roll out of the ball if I know exactly where the friction is at. Otherwise, if there is no friction in the track area, it does not recover on the backend. Most of the time, it just skids right through the breakpoint. Not overly pleased with this ball out of the box. But when the lane conditions are set up for it, it works well. Otherwise, it just sits in the bag.

I haven't heard of too many people having luck with pin up drillings, atleast OOB. The cover has so much built in length you are short changing yourself trying to use a length drilling. Here's how I drilled mine and it's an absolute beast off the spot and still has enough length to push a good way down the lane. I have never had problems with it squirting in OOB finish.

http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0927082000aq8.jpg

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strikealot · « **Reply #7 on:** October 14, 2008, 06:51:12 PM »

i would go with vibe over psycho..mine is early and not flippy,,,if you want a skid flipper the emerald is nice..put pin up on whatever you choose, i like the layout on the ball in the pic for what you want
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Tom · « **Reply #8 on:** October 14, 2008, 08:16:39 PM »

Doug, mine is drilled somewhat similar but our Pin to PAP distance is very different. Pin in middle finger, GG on the centerline and Mass Bias to the right of thumb (Low Track Bowler) for me this was 4-1/4 X 3-1/2. Out of box I found the ball to be a bit late with a very strong continuous move on the back end. I changed the surface to 2000 Abralon (no polish) this gave it more midlane and smoothed out the backend snap. With this surface change the venom is a very good ball for me but not a show stopper.

Someone in another post had said the venom is like a polished Bite. This is probably not to far from the truth.

Doug Sterner · « **Reply #9 on:** October 14, 2008, 10:29:19 PM »

Well guys this layout will give me about 5-1/2 x 5.

As I said I was thinking Venom since I have a couple of them here :-)

Pin up vs pin down....I don't tend to like pin down drills except on a Black Widow Pearl I had which was pin under bridge. I normally rumble the fingers with pin under.

I'll think on this deal some more.
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EboHammer4ever · « **Reply #10 on:** October 15, 2008, 08:02:36 AM »

If it means anything, I have a new Paradigm drilled with the same layout and its a great inside line ball. Give it a try.

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dballz · « **Reply #11 on:** October 16, 2008, 08:53:17 AM »

Doug, i think you will like that layout. i am the same way as far as putting pins down, and getting really close to the holes.

you may just need to knock of the original shine, and put the surface and polish that you want on it. even if you go back to what it came oob. i have heard a lot of people doing that. surface is so important these days.

the last couple of pearl balls i have drilled up, i knocked the oob surface on it, and took it back up to 2000 w/polish, before i threw them. so far i like the results, but that is just me. plus this way, i know when i go to clean it up, i will get it closer to how i had it before, than how it came from the factory.

hope the ball works great for ya. let us know!!

batbowler · « **Reply #12 on:** October 16, 2008, 09:28:10 AM »

Doug, I drilled one similar to that for one of my bowlers and he has shot really good and loves the ball. He uses the Beat'n for the fresh and when the lanes break down he goes to the Venom and shot 290 a few weeks ago on a broken down shot. I also drilled the Psycho for a friend a few weeks ago and he shot 798 on the same condition with games of 256, 257, 285, he squeezed the 11th pitch and left a bucket. Both balls recover nicely and have a nice flip on the backend, plus both bowlers are two different style players. Just my $.02, Bruce
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chitown · « **Reply #13 on:** October 16, 2008, 11:34:49 AM »

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Well guys this layout will give me about 5-1/2 x 5.

As I said I was thinking Venom since I have a couple of them here :-)

Pin up vs pin down....I don't tend to like pin down drills except on a Black Widow Pearl I had which was pin under bridge. I normally rumble the fingers with pin under.

I'll think on this deal some more.
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Doug, I would stick with a pin up layout so you don't clip the fingers. I can't use pin down layouts on most equipment because of the same reason of clipping the fingers (high ball track).

Trying to pick out the best layout for your needs is kind of hit or miss in my opinion because i've never seen you bowl. For me pin above the bridge 5.5" from my pap, MB in the strong position (next to thumb) gives me an awesome back end reaction. In fact, pin above the bridge gives me an awesome back end reaction on any ball i've used that pin placement on. 95 percent of all my equipment gets the pin above the bridge pin placement.

How much backend flip are you looking for? Stronger pin placements can offer more srength at the break point but also give more read in the mid-lane. I've found that stronger pin placements/ layouts also make it harder to control the reaction. On top of the control factor the stronger pin placements/layouts also force me to move more often.

The layout you have in the pic is my favorite layout of all time. You should give it a go! If you decide to use this layout let me know how it works for you.

Doug Sterner · « **Reply #14 on:** October 16, 2008, 11:27:09 PM »

OK most of you guys are in agreement with me here...I am going to give it a try.

IF you see me posting a single drill Venom for sale you'll know it didn't work out!!!!
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