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KingofKings696

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Vibe, the right ball for my needs?
« on: August 31, 2008, 03:41:10 PM »
I have a storm gravity shift drilled pin high right of ring as well as my old rhino pro gold drilled pin down right of ring. Both balls react nicely however when the lanes start to breakdown I cant seem to get either to stay out right. I throw with a somewhat low speed with low revs(typical down and in play 5 board or so and let the ball do the rest of the work). So my question to you all is would a emerald vibe or other ball be smooth enough through the dry yet strong enough to make the good move back to the pocket for a good solid shot? Currently the gravity shift is oob with the polish worn off(everytime I try and add polish for a little more length the ball cant make the turn for me) and the rhino is still oob finish as well. Any advice on a good ball for these messy patterns and such would be of great help thank you.

 

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Re: Vibe, the right ball for my needs?
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2008, 11:48:13 PM »
what do you mean messy patterns?? The Emerald Vibe can be a little squirty when it comes to lanes with carrydown.
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Re: Vibe, the right ball for my needs?
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2008, 12:28:45 AM »
I mean messy as right of 5 OB at lanes I play(excessive oil) it wont react but after some games the 5 in gets very dry and ball simply has trouble making it to the pocket I wanted something that would play this lane with a nice move yet not fly off to the left of the head pin like my other 2 balls I mean my 15yr old rhino is too much at times. So I figured with my low revs a ball that seems to be medium for most would be good for dry for someone with low revs and lower speed(also forgot to mention lanes are generally a very heavy oil but after 10 games or so I can no longer keep it out(play down and in with all my equipment and want the same from the vibe but for less oil).

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Re: Vibe, the right ball for my needs?
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2008, 12:46:54 AM »
The Emerald Vibe is a little stronger ball than you might guess.  The cover on it I believe is the same cover that was used on the Raw Toxic.  If the lanes are drying out, the cover is going to grab, and probably give that sharp left you're looking to avoid.  It will give you decent length, but it is a pretty strong ball especially if you give it some extra friction to work with.  Not sure really what to recommend, as a Razyr may not be enough ball for what you want.  One of the other, less aggressive Vibes may have been a good choice, but not sure if you can find one.  Good luck to you.

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Re: Vibe, the right ball for my needs?
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2008, 12:56:20 AM »
I asked about that particular vibe as I have seen it first hand and it seemed to be slightly later and slightly less than my storm and rhino(dry lanes I punch headpins or come brooklyn not horribly bad just enough to mess up my day and seeing as the vibe was 4k abralon with polish it would work beautifully at holding off till very deep to unleash its power. Also which particular vibe were you refering to the original purple?

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Re: Vibe, the right ball for my needs?
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2008, 12:56:56 AM »
The Emerald is probably a stronger ball than the Rhino Pro Gold, with more length and much more backend. If you're looking for a ball to handle dry inside of 5 and carrydown outside of 5, I'm not sure you're going to find such a ball. You might want the CHerry Vibe or, better yet, some other milder balls might be better choices from other manufacturers.

In your reply just above, you said the Gold Rhino was "too much". There's lots of "too much"es in bowling. How was it too much?
I'm stil not sure I have the picture you're trying to draw.

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Re: Vibe, the right ball for my needs?
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2008, 01:20:48 AM »
I was simply punching the headpin with that old ball. I really dont know how to put it otherwise playing straight up 5 it would grab about 40ft down and smoothly arc right through the headpin the lanes arent dry enough to cause the balls to rollout just hook to early for my throw(I have trouble with carry even when it gets drier moving much beyond20 or so with my feet and I still come up light so I simply need to play my line and use different balls/drillings etc to change how it reacts for the vondition. For instance tonight I simply took hand off and threw straight and did fairly well with 160s to 180s.

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Re: Vibe, the right ball for my needs?
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2008, 01:33:52 AM »
If that's the case, the Vibes are generally much stronger than the Pro Gold, in my opinion. If you want to stay straighter (I really think you should play a deeper line or try to learn to do that. Is the 3rd arrow too deep for you?)
I think you'll need a much milder ball, like Roto-Grip Neptune or similar ball.

If you can find one, a Visionary Slate Blue Gargoyle might be ideal BECAUSE it has a pearlized urethane cover with a real, dynamic core. It's perfect for playing a down and in shot and it has less backend than most resins balls.

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Re: Vibe, the right ball for my needs?
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2008, 07:21:42 AM »
If you want to stay Hammer the Razyr would probably suit your needs as the vibes tend to be stronger than advertised.

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Re: Vibe, the right ball for my needs?
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2008, 09:49:12 AM »
Even at 4k abra polished they are still stronger then my old rhino with no polish and oob finish? I was simply curious if the extra length would hold off the move long enough down the lane where I would still have a strong move yet not too early. Also I can play other lines however with my low revs and speed I simply cant create the angle into the pocket to keep from coming up light. For me it is a glancing blow unless the WHOLE lane is absolutely fried then I start to get roll out.

I just had a though what about the tropical storm from storm? seems to have a decent move from the ladies Ive seen use it yet not move overly aggresive across the lane.

Edited on 9/1/2008 10:27 AM

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Re: Vibe, the right ball for my needs?
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2008, 10:39:34 AM »
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Even at 4k abra polished they are still stronger then my old rhino with no polish and oob finish?



Yes, as far as I can see with my Blue Vibe and what I have seen of the Cherry Vibe. The Emerald is supposed to be longer and stronger than the CHerry, so much so that it handles up to medium oil, whereas the Blue and the Cherry are NORMALLY go for up to medium-light oil for most people.

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I was simply curious if the extra length would hold off the move long enough down the lane where I would still have a strong move yet not too early.



It's debatable, of course, but my belief is that the Emerald, at least, is too strong for this. The Cherry with a weaker drill, because of your ball speed, may work, but it is stronger than the Rhino Gold, in my opinion. Others' opinion may be different.


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 Also I can play other lines however with my low revs and speed I simply cant create the angle into the pocket to keep from coming up light. For me it is a glancing blow unless the WHOLE lane is absolutely fried then I start to get roll out.



The backend on the Emerald is pretty strong. It is possible that even with you low revs, it could recover enough for you with only a slight move inside.

You have to realize that your actual delivery (release, revs, ball speed, tilt, etc)  and how it plays on the lanes and oil pattern you're talking about is THE major factor here. I feel very uncomfortable with these suggestions, and that's all they are, suggestions, without having seen you bowl. Is there a local driller who has seen you bowl and who knows the oil and lanes where you bowl who can make a good suggestion????

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I just had a though what about the tropical storm from storm? seems to have a decent move from the ladies Ive seen use it yet not move overly aggresive across the lane.

Edited on 9/1/2008 10:27 AM


The Tropical is weaker than the Vibes, in general, but on dry lanes, with decent revs it can have a very strong backend.

You really need a reommendation from someone who has seen you bowl!!!!!
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Re: Vibe, the right ball for my needs?
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2008, 10:43:43 AM »
He has seen me bowl drills my balls and all that however he has never seen me trying to play on the lanes when they become broken down like this and this is where much help is needed in my game. To give you an idea I go from 180-200s down to 130s if I dont throw straight.

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Re: Vibe, the right ball for my needs?
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2008, 11:43:19 AM »
how about make a small move left with the Rhino if you are punching the headpin when they start to dry. Learning how to move when the lanes change will help you more than a new ball will.

on edit: just move 2-3 boards left, keep your target the same, and maybe move forward on the approach about 2 inches if you are still punching the headpin.
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KingofKings696

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Re: Vibe, the right ball for my needs?
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2008, 12:14:36 PM »
I can move however I tend to throw differently and thus leads itself to bad habbits and I found with my current down and in shot Im most consistant moving left I tend to put more on it and thus still come high or worse(go back to old bad habbits.

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Re: Vibe, the right ball for my needs?
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2008, 12:22:54 PM »
not every condition calls for a down and in shot unfortunately.


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