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chitown

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would you buy this ball if Hammer made it?
« on: April 06, 2007, 04:09:08 PM »
If Hammer made a true urethane covered ball with a high performance core, would you buy it?

I wish Hammer would make a ball like this for dry lanes.  Heck the ball would also be good for overreacting back ends that you find on some difficult patterns.
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anotherwindup

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Re: would you buy this ball if Hammer made it?
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2007, 09:36:18 AM »
Chi- if they are truely fried, then maybe plastic is your only option.  

Where did you experience this?


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Re: would you buy this ball if Hammer made it?
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2007, 09:42:43 AM »
This is a topic near and dear to my heart.  While I have enough Urethane equipment in my closet to constitute an arsenal, I don't think it is really necessary for most people even on hooking conditions.  For most people that are spoiled by reactive recovery and hit, urethane would be a step down.  

If I'm on a condition where the heads are "fried" I want a ball that will not read early.  Urethane, even a pearl, will read earlier than a reactive resin. If you're looking to control the backends, any number of pin axis drillins will tame down a hooking condition by getting the ball into an earlier roll.

Also to the person using a "pearl orange dot", that is actually a Gold Dot.
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dizzyfugu

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Re: would you buy this ball if Hammer made it?
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2007, 09:50:58 AM »
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NO. how many time do you get in situation to use a true urethane ball?  Not worth the investment


For me, A lot!  I feel any tourney bowler should have one of these balls in there bag.  If you bowl on Sport, PBA or tough lane conditions a urethane ball with a good core is very valuble.

Visionary discontinued the slate blue.  Which ever company makes a ball like this in the near furture will get my money.  I will be the first to buy the ball.



I second that. I got my SBG for special con ditions (high humidity and late games in summer), so it has not seen much use so far. But for this job, it is an excellent choice and a one-of-a-kind offer. Sadly, it is gone and we will whine about this, I am sure.

Nevertheless, I'd welcome a mild urethane ball with a true core from alsmot any player. It is IMHO a vital addition for players who face a lot of conditions and is also a great choice for high rev/low speed players.

Whoever fills the SBG's gap will surely generate some rep among serious players, and it would also be a good entry level ball. Hammer Ebonite could "use" one, and Brunswick could use the urethane cover from the Groove with a finer (polished?) surface in the BVP line.
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anotherwindup

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Re: would you buy this ball if Hammer made it?
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2007, 10:09:54 AM »
Does the PURE, polished not fit this "need"??
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Re: would you buy this ball if Hammer made it?
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2007, 10:18:36 AM »
chitown...

The Slate Blue might be discontinued...but the replacement is already in the works according to Jason at Visionary.  The thinking is that it will be a harder (than the S.B.G.) urethane cover with the Ogre core.  

But about the urethane "need" or "lack of need" -- it's all relative.  If you don't run into a condition that requires it, don't buy it.  If you do, and you are positive that nothing else could work better, buy it.  There is no reason for this huge debate.  The fact of the matter is that a urethane ball with a decent core WILL give you a unique look not entirely able to be replicated by a reactive (no particle or particle) ball.  You might come close, but it won't be the same.  

I personally believe that there are conditions still out there that you can use a urethane ball on.  On Saturdays, the closest bowling alley to me presently (in Charlottesville, VA) puts out the weirdest shot imaginable, so the kids with no hand and plastic balls can hook it 5-10 boards.  After I coach the youth league, I try to get in a few games, most of the time using my White Dot, since everything else I have hooks too much.  The shot is really short -- maybe 30 feet -- and the lanes are old, beat-up wood.  I honestly think they put the oil down in strips.  I might as well be bowling in the heyday of plastic and urethane.  In any case, when the oil is still fresh, I might be able to play outside of 5.  If not, you have to move in a bit, and send the ball away.  Often, though, what happens is that the White Dot just can't corner because of the cover and the pancake core.  Reactive resin covers literally take off half way down the lane.  The only time they don't hook too much is when you purposefully make them roll out.  A urethane might give me some early roll (hold), but then not make that huge change in direction until later (if at all). Perhaps one could play a fall-back shot, which normally cannot be done with the polyester ball since it hooks just a few boards too little.  For those of you wondering, though, I have not tried a Clear Diamond or XXXL.  I figure that those two are another option, however.

Just my thoughts.
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chitown

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Re: would you buy this ball if Hammer made it?
« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2007, 11:02:02 AM »
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Chi- if they are truely fried, then maybe plastic is your only option.  

Where did you experience this?


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Jason I shot the HOINKE in Cincinatti 2 weeks ago and came across some fried pairs during the later shifts.  I also shot a local tourney this past Sat. and came acorss a couple pairs that were fried.  A urethane ball would of come in handy for these types of conditions.

Most of a balls reaction comes from the coverstock.  Urethane covers on today's oil go really long and don't respond to friction as much as reactive or particle equipment does.

I have bowled on lanes that were completely fried and a urethane ball would have made it a lot easier to score better.  




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Djarum

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Re: would you buy this ball if Hammer made it?
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2007, 04:55:10 PM »
Yes, I would buy one. Intrested in the urethane ogre that may come out.

But,

I'm looking for a week solid reactive with a decent core. Would the blue vibe fit the bill?

Dj
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