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Maine Man

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**Putting My Money Where My Mouth Is: Update 11/20/09**
« on: June 30, 2009, 01:25:30 AM »
Well, I am sure many of you Lane #1 fans (of which I was one years ago) have been reading my posts back and forth to Steven explaining my position on Lane #1 and how I feel they do not have enough versatility in their lineup, and have lost what made them famous back in the C2 days.  I am posting this to put my money where my mouth is and see if I can get a bite on my offer.

I am willing to trade a few of the balls in my current lineup for balls that you may have from the Lane #1 lineup.  I will redrill them, and put them in my current arsenal and give them an honest assessment based on performance only.  I will compare them to the other balls I have, and tell you how they work in comparison across a variety of different patterns.  I want people to see that I am serious, so I am throwing down the gauntlet and am willing to put a few Lane #1 balls in my league and tournament rotation, and see how they do.

Here is what I am looking for:  LH single drill, 15lb. Lane #1 balls (current or recently discontinued pieces).  Preferably the span would be around 4 3/4", but a little shorter or longer is o.k.  The balls I have for trade are the following:  Hammer No Mercy, Brunswick Copperhead, Brunswick Twisted Fury Solid, MoRich Awesome Revs, and a few others at the shop (not sure of exactly what is there, lol).

If you are interested, shoot me a pm, and we can work out a trade.  If I get any bites, I will post up pics of the balls and let you know how they are working in my arsenal.  I want to see if I will be proven wrong with a real time test of current Lane #1 balls, no b.s.  Thanks.
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Edited on 11/20/2009 3:47 PM
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Re: **Putting My Money Where My Mouth Is: Update 11/20/09**
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2009, 03:37:13 PM »
The man Chuck delivers.
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Re: **Putting My Money Where My Mouth Is: Update 11/20/09**
« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2009, 03:40:27 PM »
The Massacre arrived today.  Great spec's. 15lb. 3oz. 3-4" pin, 3.5oz top.  I will post up pics of my entire arsenal and a small mini-review once I get it punched up.  Thanks again to Chuck at Lane #1, and I will let everyone know how the comparison goes throughout the summer and into the league and tournament season in the fall.
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Re: **Putting My Money Where My Mouth Is: Update 11/20/09**
« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2009, 01:39:56 AM »
I am curious to hear what you think of the ball.  I have one, and like it quite a bit.
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Re: **Putting My Money Where My Mouth Is: Update 11/20/09**
« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2009, 09:53:14 PM »
You should also ask chuck for drilling advice for this piece so it is set up correctly for you....... this will aid in making your transition to all lane #1 gear easier. LOL.....
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FAILURE IS FEEDBACK. AND FEEDBACK IS THE BREAKFAST OF CHAMPIONS THAT GOT DIGESTED!

Ten pin?????? Where?? I throw a BUZZSAW there is NUTTIN left on the deck...

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Re: **Putting My Money Where My Mouth Is: Update 11/20/09**
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2009, 09:01:33 AM »
Thanks for the suggestion Buzzhead, lol, but I already have a layout in mind for this ball.  I will post up pics and a mini-review next week (time permitting), as well as an initial comparison to other pieces in my arsenal.  Take care everyone.
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Re: **Putting My Money Where My Mouth Is: Update 11/20/09**
« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2009, 01:38:32 PM »
O.k., true to my word, I am going to give a brief synopsis of the Massacre from what I have thrown with it thus far.  I have been able to bowl on two different patterns with the ball, which is a normal THS, 41ft. and on the Scorpion pattern.  The Massacre I have is drilled 4.5 x 5 with no x-hole. Pin is about 1" above, and slightly to the left of, my ring finger (lefty).  I drilled this ball for length and decent recovery, which seems to be what I have from my limited experience with it thus far.

THS

I bowled on a fresh THS 41ft. pattern, and had the Massacre, Perfect Rival, and Swarm in my bag at the time.  Massacre was OOB, Swarm is 2000 w/RB, and the PR is 4000 abralon, no polish.  One thing I noticed right off is that the Massacre, for a pearlized cover, bites incredibly strong through the mid-lane on a fresh pattern (typical Lane #1 ball reaction).  This ball actually checked up a touch earlier than my PR, which surprised me, to be honest.  The only good thing about this, though, is that the Massacre still retains enough energy to continue stronger down lane than the PR does.  The Massacre gave a strong violent-type of flip in the dry, where as the PR was more length and smooth transition.  The Massacre had the same basic hook shape as the Swarm, only about 3-4 feet sooner down lane than the Swarm.  I could see these two balls being a good 1-2 punch on a normal league night.  Here are my scores with each ball:

Massacre: 227, 249 (before PR), 268 (after PR).
Swarm: 217, 235 (end of set).
Perfect Rival: 248, 229, 258.

Scorpion

I had a feeling that the Massacre may struggle for recovery on Scorpion until I broke the pattern down, and I was right on the money with that assessment.  This ball really labored for a couple of games, giving me scores of 192 and 198.  I had almost zero recovery when missing out, and the ball had a small amount of hold when I tried to tighten the line up.  The strong early-rolling characteristic of Lane #1 balls seemed to be rearing it's ugly head with the Massacre once again.  So, I pulled out the PR and shot a couple of games with it, to hopefully open the pattern up and give the Massacre another go at it.  I shot games of 228 and 219 with the PR, concentrating solely on grooving out the pattern, and then I pulled the Massacre out again for another go.  What a difference with some play out there!  The Massacre, with some new found "area" really shined.  I was able to get a few boards outside to let the ball breathe, and the recovery was much better.  Also, I was able to move into the lane, and trust that the ball would make the corner.  I shot 237 and 239 the next two games with the Massacre and was very impressed.  I think that the Massacre may not be a great choice on a fresh tight pattern, but once it breaks down a little, it can be a very effective piece in your bag.  I shot the Swarm the last two games, once the lanes started to go away for the Massacre, and shot 208 and 212, which put the Swarm just under the Massacre in terms of hook strength, with the extra length I needed to finish the set.  Here are the games with each ball:

Massacre: 192, 198 (fresh) 237, 239 (after PR)
Perfect Rival: 228, 219
Swarm: 208, 212

So far, I have mixed emotions about the Massacre.  It has surprised me in the fact that the backend reaction is much stronger than I anticipated, but the room for error and semi-early rolling characteristic of the ball are two things I worry about.  It has less room for miss than both my PR and Swarm, but seems to carry a little better than each, but that is with limited experience with the ball, so we'll see if that holds true as I progress with it.  The carry is very good, which has never been a concern of mine with some of the older Lane #1 balls, just some of the newer pieces.  Overall, a great first session, with many more to come.  Once I figure out my issue with photobucket, I will have pics of the whole arsenal up in my profile.  Thanks again to Chuck at Lane #1 for getting involved with this challenge, and as I progress with the ball into the fall season and tournament time, I will have more updates as to how the Massacre is doing compared to the other balls in my lineup.  This is my honest assessment thus far.  I give the ball a B+ at this time.  Stay tuned......
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Re: **Putting My Money Where My Mouth Is: Update 11/20/09**
« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2009, 02:16:59 PM »
Thanks for the update and keep us posted with as little bias as possible.

I have and have only had one Lane #1 ball (Supernova) and would be willing to offer it up for trade, but I seem to rely on it quite often even though it doesn't seem to have any OUTSTANDING characteristics...  


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Re: **Putting My Money Where My Mouth Is: Update 11/20/09**
« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2009, 09:06:17 PM »
Thanks for the honest assessment Maine....appreciate your efforts with trying the new gear!!!

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Re: **Putting My Money Where My Mouth Is: Update 11/20/09**
« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2009, 01:53:16 PM »
Any more info on the experiment??
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Re: **Putting My Money Where My Mouth Is: Update 11/20/09**
« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2009, 03:15:56 PM »
I have been practicing with the Massacre, getting used to the reaction, and tinkering with the surface.  I can say, however, that the Massacre does VERY WELL when it comes to surface changes.  I have found that I like it 4000 w/factory finish for a 42 ft. THS, but like to take it down to 2000 w/rough buff for Scorpion and Shark.  I had good success with it so far at 1000 w/ Finesse-It II for Viper and Chameleon.  I have not seen any loss in hitting power or roll since making any of the surface changes to the ball.

All in all, it has been a wonderful experiment that I hope to have some "real world" results with as soon as next week (no more practice).  I have both of my leagues firing up, so I will report back at that time as to how the Massacre does compared to some other stuff in my bag.  Until then, thanks for reading, and good luck everyone!
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Re: **Putting My Money Where My Mouth Is: Update 11/20/09**
« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2009, 09:07:27 AM »
I had my first night of one of my leagues last night.  This league uses a 40ft. THS shot, with an OOB outside of the first arrow.  We bowl on Anvilanes with Brunswick A-2 machines and a Kegel oil machine.  Here is how it went game by game:

Warm-ups

I brought four balls with me to league: Perfect Rival (PR), Virtual Gravity(VG), Swarm (S), and Chainsaw Massacre (CM).  I had the best look after warm-ups with the PR, I wasn't getting quite the hit I needed from the CM or VG so I left those in the bag.

1st Game

I used the PR for the entire first game, the ball is at 4000 abralon (no polish).  I shot a 193, missing the pocket only once, had two strikes, and went clean.  I was playing mostly from 17-8.  Carry was suspect, even though I tried moving lines and hand adjustments.  On my last ball I tried the Swarm, which gave me a nice clean look, so I decided to go with it for game two.

2nd Game

I was right on the money with the Swarm.  This ball is at 2000 abralon w/ Rough Buff.  I ended up having a clean game with the Swarm, going stone 8-pin followed by an 8-bagger and another stone 8-pin and a 7-pin on the fill to finish off a 268 game.  Great look playing out a little further than the PR, which put me at 14-8 for a line.

3rd Game

This was an interesting game for me.  I started off with a double, but quickly noticed the Swarm was jumping off the spot.  With this being a pin down ball, with a flare increasing x-hole, I decided that since I liked the line I was playing on, I would just change balls midway through the game rather than try and get deeper and lose some carry.  So, I pulled out the CM and salvaged the game.  I struck from the 5th through the 10th, and tugged it in a pinch for an 8 count and spare to finish with a 252 game, and 713 series.  I was VERY impressed with the "easy length" the CM gave me when the Swarm started to check up early.  It had a nice smooth transition off the spot, and the carry was excellent.

I bowl again Tuesday night, and will try and report back Wednesday on that night's activities.  I hope you enjoyed the little mini-review of last night's action with the CM, please feel free to comment on anything I posted concerning the CM or anything else I threw last night.  Thanks for reading!
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Re: **Putting My Money Where My Mouth Is: Update 11/20/09**
« Reply #27 on: September 01, 2009, 01:38:25 PM »
Here are the pics of my arsenal that I said I would post.  Thanks for the patience, let me know what you think:

http://s775.photobucket.com/albums/yy36/Maine-Man/
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Re: **Putting My Money Where My Mouth Is: Update 11/20/09**
« Reply #28 on: September 02, 2009, 11:39:06 PM »
You're a good writer, Maine Man, and that makes your review more useful than some. The CSM has a nice reaction. You should try putting it between a Dynamo X2 and a GemStone in your arsenal to get a real feel for what Lane1 can do for you.

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Well, I am sure many of you Lane #1 fans (of which I was one years ago) have been reading my posts back and forth to Steven explaining my position on Lane #1 and how I feel they do not have enough versatility in their lineup, and have lost what made them famous back in the C2 days. I am posting this to put my money where my mouth is and see if I can get a bite on my offer.



If you are really trying to guage diversity in the Lane1 lineup, consider their current offerings.
XXXL - plastic with a real core, who else does that
Liberator - urethane with a real core, do you see some other companies playing catch-up this year?
ChainSaw - A unique dry lanes reaction...all about control, not just the same old length and wild snap
GemStone - Low price and big hook on dry to medium conditions
Massacre - length and smoothness with hit for when your benchmark ball is checking up early
Dynamo X2 - decent length, heavy roll, and power at the pocket for medium conditions
Dynamo - Smooth power over a wide range of conditions
Agent Orange - NEVER fear oil!

That is one heck of a wide range of offerings!

Time to try some more of these gems! Keep us posted.


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Re: **Putting My Money Where My Mouth Is: Update 11/20/09**
« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2009, 07:34:48 AM »
quote:
You're a good writer, Maine Man, and that makes your review more useful than some. The CSM has a nice reaction. You should try putting it between a Dynamo X2 and a GemStone in your arsenal to get a real feel for what Lane1 can do for you.


It would be interseting to see what that three ball combo could do, that's for sure.  If you looked at my bowling ball lineup right now, I would have to get rid of a few of those pieces before adding anything else.  If any left handed Lane #1 users have either a Dynamo X2 or a Gemstone that doesn't match up, shoot me a pm, check out my lineup, and maybe we can come to a viable swap.


quote:
If you are really trying to guage diversity in the Lane1 lineup, consider their current offerings.
XXXL - plastic with a real core, who else does that
Liberator - urethane with a real core, do you see some other companies playing catch-up this year?
ChainSaw - A unique dry lanes reaction...all about control, not just the same old length and wild snap
GemStone - Low price and big hook on dry to medium conditions
Massacre - length and smoothness with hit for when your benchmark ball is checking up early
Dynamo X2 - decent length, heavy roll, and power at the pocket for medium conditions
Dynamo - Smooth power over a wide range of conditions
Agent Orange - NEVER fear oil!

That is one heck of a wide range of offerings!

Time to try some more of these gems! Keep us posted.


I think there is not quite as much diversity (though I could be wrong) as you show there RevZ.  It seems the Dynamo and Agent Orange my have some overlap, as well as the Gemstone and Chainsaw.  I agree that the Liberator is a good urethane offering, and overall it looks like Lane #1 can cover many idfferent conditions.  My bone of contention in recent years has been with their lack of versatility across sport patterns, so I would be interested ot see how the "heacier oil" pieces in the Lane #1 lineup respond on those patterns.  Who knows, maybe I will get a bite and do some more research myself, take care everyone, and thanks for the response RevZ.
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Re: **Putting My Money Where My Mouth Is: Update 11/20/09**
« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2009, 02:46:11 PM »
Sorry I haven't updated in a while, but here is a quick status on the Massacre.  I have not been using it much on either of my leagues.  One league is a heavier oil blend, with weaker back ends, that the Massacre struggles to recover and carry on, and the other league is a 37ft. flat oil pattern, and I have had better luck with my Ultra Zone and Burn on that pattern.  The Massacre is just a bit too jumpy off the spot to use consistently night in and night out.

But, I did use it in a few tournament with decent success.  I bowled a scratch tourney on Chameleon and used the Massacre for 2 of my 4 games.  It rolled very smooth, but I was trying to play a little too deep with it, and once I moved closer to the gutter, it rolled very nicely, and helped me pull out the set.  I was able to cash, and pull out a 6th place finish, thanks in part to using the Massacre.

In a previous scratch tourney on a 39ft. medium blend oil pattern, I was able to play inside around 18-20 with the Massacre, and held a good line for the first two games of qualifying.  Then, as we kept moving pairs, and the oil transitioned, I had to put it away for a weaker piece (Fury Pearl TE).  I pulled it out again in the semi-final match on a fresher pair of lanes, and won the match easily.  I used it for the first part of the finals, but my carry was struggling, so I went to my Perfect Rival to get a little more down lane reaction, and ended up winning the match and the tournament.  The Massacre was a key part of that success.  On a fresh pattern, this ball really shines.  But, I have noticed that as the backends start to go away, this ball needs to do the same (for me) as it struggles to get the corner pins out.

All in all, it has been a very good experiment for me, and thanks again to Chuck at Lane #1 for stepping up and supplying the ball for the comparison test.  As far as where it fits (reaction-wise) in ny current arsenal, I would say it fits in between the Perfect Rival and the Swarm.  Thanks for reading, I will re-post as I get more info for you, I am just keeping the review of the ball as honest and un-biased as possible so everyone out there can make up their own minds about this ball, and Lane #1 balls in general, thank you.
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