Author Topic: Drilling a Silver Diamond (Read 3721 times)

Horse Tooth · « **on:** November 12, 2003, 04:34:54 PM »

I have someone throwing a Silver Diamond and unfortunately the ball
is going long, too long. Drilled with the pin about 1" above the center of the
bridge and the CG just outside to the right of the center of the grip.
My bowlers throws above average speed and above average revs. He just can't get any area with this drilling. He is looking to have at least 3-4 boards to play with if he misses. Can anyone suggest a drilling, from their previous experience with this ball that will work well in this situation?
The lanes are brand new sythetics, dry outside medium oil in the middle.
Any help is greatly appreciated. If you need additional information please let me know.
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Todd Ginter
Todd@DandRsProShop.com

charlest · « **Reply #16 on:** November 15, 2003, 12:34:09 AM »

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I agree with TGod on this.

For whatever reason the lower diff Silver Diamond is a very strong ball.

Very similar(but different) from the Battle Zone Bullet. Certainly a very strong go long pearl, that has the apparently same coverstock(Powercoil) and
the BZ Bullet has much higher diff numbers.

However most would say the balls are similar in strength but different in look/or movement on the lanes!

REgards,

Luckylefty

The SD has the PK 18 cover, one of the strongest resin covers made even today, 7 years after it was first introduced. The Bullet has a PK 17 extra length cover.

I must believe that the strength of the SD, one of the weakest balls in the Lane#1 current line-up is due to the cover, not the core ... The core does help the ball (cover + core = ball) retain energy on medium to medium-light oil patterns.
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"Just because you can do something does not mean you should do it."

T-GOD · « **Reply #17 on:** November 15, 2003, 07:39:22 AM »

Charles, If the Diff is high, does that mean the core is strong..? If the spin rate is low, does that mean the core is strong..? Is an early rolling core stronger, or a late rolling core..? Can one core be stronger in the oil and another be stronger in the dry..? What does strong or weak mean..? =:^D

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #18 on:** November 15, 2003, 09:12:56 AM »

Charlest,

I stand by my Powercoil statement, (We've had this discussion before).

Back when I first encountered the Silver Bullet, Lane 1 listed it's coverstock simply as Powercoil.(note not Powerkoil). No number was attached.

They did list the Cherry Pearl(original not bomb as Powercoil 18)

It implied a difference.

On the recent reintroduction of the Silver I think they announced it was Powerkoil 18. I'm not sure that is true of the earlier versions.

By the movement of the first releases I saw I believed they were Powercoil or what I believe to be Powerkoil 17. Lane 1 did emphasize a difference at that time in the marketing materials between Powercoil and Powercoil 18.

I have not seen anything that would lead me to believe they are different.
If there is something stating that the original release Silver Bullet was powerkoil 17 then I stand corrected. Does anyone have it?
The balls BZ Bullet and Silver Diamond are so similar in appearance feel and reaction, only the distinctive Diamond core move is different.

Both are purely GREAT in the go long flip category!!

REgards,

Luckylefty

charlest · « **Reply #19 on:** November 16, 2003, 04:19:50 PM »

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Charles, If the Diff is high, does that mean the core is strong..? If the spin rate is low, does that mean the core is strong..? Is an early rolling core stronger, or a late rolling core..? Can one core be stronger in the oil and another be stronger in the dry..? What does strong or weak mean..? =:^D

If you care for my opinion on the matter, given the specifications that the ball manufacturers give the public about a core, I would view a core as
not so much strong but at or above the median point such that
- its low RG were at or below 2.55 AND its RG differential were at or above .050,
and
- its low RG were at or below 2.50 and its RG diff were at or above .040.

Until they add a measure of the gyroscopic value or the add the Mas Differential as a part of its meaured specification, any guess as to either of those values is fraught with speculation.

Look, T-God, I and 99% of the ballreviews community trust you as a driller and a ball expert, but until we can put some numbers to the what we think reflect the power of a core, any discussion will just go back and forth based on feelings.

Do you remember Phil Cardenale's posting in the Dyno-Thane forum questioning the usefulness of Mass bias in a ball? His bottom line was "show me this results in a better strike carrying ball" (my paraphrasing). I wouldn't ask for such proof. Just let Lane#1 publish the gyroscopic numbers for his cores and for say, Brunswick cores, as they have the same coverstocks. While I suspect there is something to the Lane#1 diamond cores, like the SD's C core and the Blueberry/raspberry's C2 core, I often wonder if it's just their low flare allowing the very strong PK 18 coverstock to retain a great amount of its energy for lower rev release.
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charlest · « **Reply #20 on:** November 16, 2003, 04:21:57 PM »

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charlest: sorry, Dynothane a typo, meant Lane 1.
On the same note, isn't the Inferno the same power koil cover?
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Don B

The Inferno's activator coverstock is supposedly the PK 18 cover with an additive, which I believe makes it more aggressive. I believe the Raging Red Fuze's cover is similar with a different additive; Buzzsaw-UK said this was the resin/carbide cover used in the Cherry Bomb balls.
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"Just because you can do something does not mean you should do it."

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