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golfnutFL

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Massacre Red Death
« on: September 07, 2009, 07:01:48 PM »
Coming in October...page 67, September BJI. Anyone know any details?
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Re: Massacre Red Death
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2009, 05:45:11 PM »
I'm probably more tired of saying this than you are of hearing it, but
"You buy a ball reaction, NOT A ball(, Not a core and certainly not a cover)."

If the solid/solid combo + the dense flip block results in a different ball reaction than can be garnered from drilling and surface manipulation, then you have a "horse of a different color", which is what you want.

Anyone for a dose of common sense?
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KingofKings696

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Re: Massacre Red Death
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2009, 06:08:01 PM »
Lane 1 tends to be different in the way they function and I believe that is why so many of us enjoy their products.. They make a pearl that is early and rolls much like your typical heavy oil solids how many other companies can say that?
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Re: Massacre Red Death
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2009, 06:14:57 PM »
quote:
I'm probably more tired of saying this than you are of hearing it, but
"You buy a ball reaction, NOT A ball(, Not a core and certainly not a cover)."

If the solid/solid combo + the dense flip block results in a different ball reaction than can be garnered from drilling and surface manipulation, then you have a "horse of a different color", which is what you want.

Anyone for a dose of common sense?
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Edited on 9/8/2009 5:45 PM


and I have read it a thousand times from you... don't think people are getting it. sigh...
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charlest

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Re: Massacre Red Death
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2009, 07:22:20 PM »
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Lane 1 tends to be different in the way they function and I believe that is why so many of us enjoy their products.. They make a pearl that is early and rolls much like your typical heavy oil solids how many other companies can say that?


Other than the Agent Orange, which is so dull it should be illegal, which Lane#1 Pearl rolls like a HEAVY oil solid?

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JessN16

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Re: Massacre Red Death
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2009, 11:54:01 PM »
quote:
I'm probably more tired of saying this than you are of hearing it, but
"You buy a ball reaction, NOT A ball(, Not a core and certainly not a cover)."

If the solid/solid combo + the dense flip block results in a different ball reaction than can be garnered from drilling and surface manipulation, then you have a "horse of a different color", which is what you want.

Anyone for a dose of common sense?
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Edited on 9/8/2009 5:45 PM


That's very true. I'm just speaking about the marketing platform used to get the point across.

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Sir Bowl-A-Lot

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Re: Massacre Red Death
« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2009, 08:54:28 AM »
"Hybrid" seems like it's the new buzz word lately from ball companies.  I personally do not like the reaction I get from true pearl/solid "Hybrid" covers...Too over/under for my liking.  I am very interested in this new release by Lane#1 though and look forward to some vids.
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Doug Sterner

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« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2009, 09:46:44 AM »
What many manufacturers are seeing is that they may have 2 different coverstocks for use on a given core.

Coverstock A gives them good length but is a bit weak on the backend.

Coverstock B rolls up earlier and screams on the backend.

What the company is looking for is a ball that goes long and turns hard. So through some experimentation and adjusting the percentages of A and B they formulate a Hybrid of the 2 covers to get what they want.

I think it's cutting down on R&D time and money. Why make a brand new cover when you can mix 2 old covers you already have an get the same result? Or even better, a new reaction you didn't expect?

I think it's just a sign of the times guy driven by the economy.
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Re: Massacre Red Death
« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2009, 12:00:56 PM »
Good point Doug.  But at the same time, find a mixture of a pearl and a solid.  Lane 1 has refused to do so yet.  And it irritates the crap outta me.
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Doug Sterner

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« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2009, 11:37:14 PM »
well urbanj 2 things....

#1 the box on my Red Death is wrong....the surface is 2000 Abralon as you stated...seems they forgot the change teh box labels...they were going to release the bal lat 4000 but decided that 2000 is better.

#2 the pearl/solid hybrid has to be quite touchy. I mean the Ultra ZOne was about the first one on the market and it lasted how long? not long because it wasnt very good. Now I know there are others out there but I may have a possible reason.....I am thinking that the amount of experimentation needed to get just the right mix may be too much for the chemists at 900 G to handle right now. 900 Global has some of the hottest balls going right now. It's quite possible they don't have time to mess around and put in the needed time to get it right.

Just my opinion.
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Re: Massacre Red Death
« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2009, 07:47:25 AM »
Doug is right, ball def is 2k abralon, looks an awful lot like the BCB, great graphics on it as well.
will be punching tomorrow and trying it out.  will do the oob first, but I can see me taking this to 4k abralon, or leaving it at 2k and giving it some polish
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Doug Sterner

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Re: Massacre Red Death
« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2009, 10:18:41 AM »
I drilled mine up and threw it last night. Based on the information I was provided with I decided to go with a pin over middle with the cg kicked about an inch under my ring. This translates into a 6x4-1/2 layout for me.

I left the box finish at the 2000 and went from there.

The ball is surprisingly smooth and clean up front. I can't normally use dull finished balls in our house since I have a hard time getting them thru the heads. I was able to play up the lane just inside the track area or move 10 left and play the ball inside out to the 10 board and still have it get pocket.

Even with this layout the ball reads the midlane remarkably well. I normally have problems with skating when I get the pin left of the centerline but not this time. The ball reads the midlane so well I can't believe it.

However the biggest surprise here was the backend. The Red Death has a stronger backend than my X-2 but is not as angular. This should not be the case but the layout differences and coverstock preps would tend to dictate that this be the case. I am not saying the backend is weak by any means...I pitched a few out last night that my teammates didn't think had a chance and the ball still got to the pocket.

The performance of this ball leads me to think I may have to get one of the original Massacres.....

More feedback to come after tonight.....
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