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Steven

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A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« on: September 04, 2009, 03:17:16 AM »
I had a new BuzzBomb/R drilled up the other night. They're being closed out, so I decided to pick one up before the line fades into the sunset.

I didn't know what to expect, because the ball has not received a lot of love. I'm a big fan of the BuzzBomb core, and the Bleeder cover, which I've experienced on my G-Force Evolution, is durable and performs well.

The first chance I had to throw the ball was on the USBC Masters shot in our PBAX League. On this 39' pattern, the ball gets clean through the heads and generates a surprising amount of recovery. I found almost immediately that I could trust the ball and the read it was giving me on the lanes. I suspect that versatility on a THS will be even greater.

Again, I don't know why this ball generated so little love, but I suspect the BuzzBomb/R will turn out to be one of my favorites. If you've thought at all about this ball, take another look and consider picking one up.
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Re: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2009, 03:51:59 PM »
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A pearl version of a turd is still a turd..


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Actually, that's not close to being correct. They're two different balls. If your statement were true, we could have a long discussion about why the Radical Inferno is a turd for most and therefore all other Infernos must automatically be turds. It isn't true for them and it's not true for the Doomsday-core balls, which includes the AO.

I've not thrown a BuzzBomb. Perhaps I'd like the ball, but I have no need for one at this time so I won't buy one. I do have the BuzzBomb/R, though, and that ball is a winner. However, that in no way relates to how good the original or the AO is or isn't. Each ball must be judged on its own merits.

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Steven

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Re: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2009, 07:18:57 PM »
Jess: Excellent analysis, and spot on. It's a thinking depth that CRD and CGsSuK are currently incapable off, and one that Inverted fights when it comes to Lane#1. Some things you can set your clock to.....

Given all the love for the Agent Orange, perceived 'problems' with the BuzzBomb line can't be with the shared Dooms Day Bomb core. So there must be issues some bowlers have with BB and BB/R covers. Having both, that doesn't make any sense. I've had my BB from 500 to 1000 w/polish, and the cover takes alterations extremely well. I just got the BB/R, but my prior experience with the Bleeder pearl cover says it's also very tunable. Again, these 'perceived' problems don't make sense if you know how to adjust these BB covers for the appropriate conditions.

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we could have a long discussion about why the Radical Inferno is a turd for most and therefore all other Infernos must automatically be turds.


You can't have a discussion about turds in the Inferno line without talking about the Blazing Inferno. Brunswick absolutely failured in trying to create a higher RG Inferno. It got so bad that Brunswick tried to claim all the negative press resulted from a bad batch that escaped from the factory. Yea, and I have some great ocean front property in Arizona to sell you....

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Re: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2009, 09:00:41 PM »
I am still trying to understand how a review of a certain ball goes into a topic of the core and any ball made of said core. The Bomb core worked for some bowlers and not for others. I am still trying to figure out how that only
happens to Lane1, is worse than any other company? A bowler can take any ball from any company and make it work. This hatred for Lane1 has to stop.
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Re: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2009, 10:40:07 AM »
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As a matter of fact, this whole site is pretty much useless.  From the paranoid conspiracy freaks on the non-bowling threads, the nutcases wondering what the new release from a company is going to be two days after they just put out new releases, to people wondering what microfiber towel is best it's a total joke.  How many clowns from here would actually contribute to a forum that would compare which bottled water is better.  That is basically what this site has become.  Steven just epitomizes what this site has become.  Pseudo-intellectual posts on subjects that just don't matter. He is truly not worth the two minutes it took to type this.  This is my last word on the subject. You guys bore me to tears.
Then hit the frickin' road, Cracker! Steven's posts are much more entertaining than your drivel anyway. Like him or not- He doesn't hide behind multiple aliases. Jeesh...
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Re: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2009, 03:28:44 PM »
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A pearl version of a turd is still a turd..


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Actually, that's not close to being correct. They're two different balls. If your statement were true, we could have a long discussion about why the Radical Inferno is a turd for most and therefore all other Infernos must automatically be turds. It isn't true for them and it's not true for the Doomsday-core balls, which includes the AO.

I've not thrown a BuzzBomb. Perhaps I'd like the ball, but I have no need for one at this time so I won't buy one. I do have the BuzzBomb/R, though, and that ball is a winner. However, that in no way relates to how good the original or the AO is or isn't. Each ball must be judged on its own merits.

Jess


So are you saying the Buzzbomb/R and the Buzzbomb are two completely different balls and the BB/R is NOT the pearl version of the BB??


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urbanj51

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Re: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2009, 03:43:12 PM »
Yes.  That's correct.  The pearl version of the BB was the AO.  BB/R was a pearl bleeder cover, yes.  But not the actual pearl version of the BB.
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Re: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2009, 03:45:26 PM »
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Yes.  That's correct.  The pearl version of the BB was the AO.  BB/R was a pearl bleeder cover, yes.  But not the actual pearl version of the BB.
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Well, there you go....

Then they should have given it a different name and not scare off the customers..
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urbanj51

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Re: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2009, 03:52:10 PM »
Ha.  Well Buzzbomb/R doesn't really say that it's the pearl version of the BB.  Just a pearl bleeder cover.

But I see what you're sayin.....
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Steven

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Re: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2009, 04:10:35 PM »
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So are you saying the Buzzbomb/R and the Buzzbomb are two completely different balls and the BB/R is NOT the pearl version of the BB??


Both the BB/R and AO are pearl versions of the original BB. However, the pearl cover formulations are different.

The Pearl Bleeder on my BB/R came labeled as polished 654 grit. At least that's what it said on the box. It's a duller pearl closer in appearance to the AO cover than the shinny Pearl Bleeder on the Evolution.

I found the BB/R cover to be grabby for a pearl. It's reacts much like the original in the mid-lane with more reaction off the dry.
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urbanj51

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Re: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2009, 04:11:55 PM »
That's the difference Steven.  BB/R wasn't the pearl version of the BB because it was a different type of pearl.  AO was the true pearl version of BB.
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Re: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2009, 04:22:44 PM »
Lane#1 says the BB/R cover is "BleederTM pearl reactive". I understand that it's not the pearl cover on the AO, but are you suggesting the BB/R cover is really not a pearl?
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urbanj51

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Re: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2009, 11:07:34 AM »
Oh no.  It is a pearl cover.  I even said that.  I am saying that while it is a pearl cover ball, and also has the Doomsday core, it is NOT the pearl version of the original BB solid.  The AO is the pearl version of the BB.  The BB/R is just a pearl ball with the same core.  Not the same cover style as both the BB and AO.  Totally different pearl covers.
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Re: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« Reply #28 on: September 10, 2009, 07:50:19 AM »
although I agree with you to an extent, the blame of threads like this cannot solely lie on the lane 1 users backs.  The people (and they know who they are) that come in and attempt and often times suceed at getting some users all riled up, what good does that do anyone, but to place all of that so called blame on the users of this forum is unfounded and mostly untrue.  Steven Myself Beans, we dont come in here to stirr trouble, we come in here to voice an opinion of a ball and then the select few come in and begin on theri lane 1 sucks tirade, some of those guys have personal experience, most do not

In the case of the ball the BB/R I did not have great sucess with it, but honestly the drilling was wrong for me, I am getting another to try again.  The BB for me was an awesome ball, have a teammate that had one it got chewed up by lane machine last year, guess what he is replacing it with another, no questions asked it was the ball he wanted,  I understand the inverted's and Nicanors did not like it, it is their personal opinion and I respect that, but for certain users to come in and continually bring up information like that (and personally I can show you 10 users for every one they bring that loved the ball vs hated it) just to "stir the pot" is wrong, and then to say its the lane 1 guys who cause this sheet.  jsut like every other forum on this site, there are some very opinionated people and they have not trouble voicing it, I can and will when the time is right.  TO base a ball purchase off ot non users stirring the pot, is not a very good reason

please note, this was not done to start any disagreement, but only to voice my opinion of the crap that has been going on in this forum for far too long


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I have read every comment in this thread. How insulting. Sorry I did. Didn't learn a thing, except I won't be back here if that's the way it always is.

Why is it necessary to do all the name calling? Why argue about what a ball has for a coverstock or weightblock? Go to the manufacturers website and study it! Call the company and ask to speak to a ball/sales rep. or whatever. Gather correct information, make an effort to post accurate information that will help other BR members.

I started using this website several years ago to learn more about bowling. Ball technology is interesting and sometimes confusing. We should be able to rely on people to post helpful, useful, accurate information here on this site. It was started by people who love bowling, as we all do.

When and IF I ever buy another Lane1 ball, I would have to think long and hard about sharing any information about it in this forum! MAN!

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triggerman

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Re: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2009, 08:57:12 AM »
Vince have you ever heard me lie about their equipment?  why would anyone on here as anyone other then one of the retailers questions concerning makeup of these balls?

Every manufacturer is secretive of their coverstocks, I can tell you the majority of the new global poured balls for lane 1 are superflex baaed, said it a number of times, the dynamo, who knows, but I have been told it is s75, but what is S75?  probably superflex based as well

My comments werent directed at you, you do have an opinion, and whether i agree or not, I still respect it, but the problem with this forum lies in the Cool rooking daddys, the cgsucks et al!  I take it in stride since I have knowledge of most of those guys and in the real world are not who that convey here

and if this is about lane 1 marketing, who cares, its marketing, all marketing is laced with embellishments, thats way its marketing, its there to entice, you know that

I throw their stuff cause it rolls well for me, nothing more nothing less

no one forces anyone to read this forum, my problem lies with those people that come in to stir the pot, I dont consider you one of them as you have had lane 1 gear and some that you really like and some that you really hate, but your opinion is based upon experience not pot stirring
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Steven

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Re: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2009, 11:55:05 AM »
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No one really know what they are buying until someone like you gets a hold of one and then posts what conditions it's really for.
 


Inverted: On the contrary, an advantage with throwing Lane#1 is that you should know almost exactly what you're getting with new Lane#1 equipment.

For the original BB, it was clear in looking at the core and the cover specs that the ball is very similar to the Super Carbide Bomb (SCB). And that's almost exactly what it is -- a reactive version of the SCB.

Same process for the evaluating the BB/R. The Doomsday core produces a heavy predictable roll. The Bleeder cover is a known quantity on the at least the G-Force Evolution. It's really not that hard to figure out what that specific combo should produce.

As we discussed before, the problem is evaluating any a ball based on marketing glossies. I don't care what the company -- that's a recipe for unhappiness. But it's what a lot of bowlers do, and then they piss and moan when the ball doesn't do what they 'think' it should.

BTW, I shot a 706 series with the 'turd' in the first night of league bowling this week. Not earth shattering games by any stretch, but the lanes went south really quick and there were a lot of road kill scores going on around me. In the two weeks I've had the BB/R, the ball has been versatile in on sport and THS shots. I really believe this ball has been given a bad rap by bowlers who didn't take the time to understand what this ball is about. It's not surprising.
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